r/skeptic • u/JetTheDawg • 3d ago

Exclusive: Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras
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u/trader45nj 2d ago

We had a chance to boot Russia from the security council when the ussr dissolved. The USSR collectively was the UN member, not Russia. But I guess leaders hoped for the best from the new Russia, so they let them get away with it.

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u/Happytallperson 2d ago

No, Russia was successor state to the USSR so inherited all it's treaty rights and obligations. 

Changing borders and names doesn't get you expelled from the UN automatically. Whilst claiming to be the successor state doesn't automatically get recognised (See Serbia claiming it was Yugoslavias successor), it would have been difficult to claim Russia wasn't and also inconvenient given the number of treaties the west had with it.

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u/trader45nj 2d ago

You say no, but then agree with what I said. I did not say that it meant Russia was automatically booted, I said the dissolution of the USSR was the opportunity to boot them. And I said to boot them from the security council, not from the UN. That's the core problem, where these monsters have veto power. And this dissolution was no small change, Russia alone is just 40% of the population of the former USSR. And who decided that Russia was the legitimate successor to the USSR, not Ukraine or Poland or all the former states collectively? As for treaties, Russia doesn't follow them when it's to their advantage. They signed an agreement to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine and we know how that went.

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u/Happytallperson 2d ago

Poland was never a part of the USSR. 

Once the world had recognised Russia as the successor state (which practically it had to unless countries like the UK wanted to set some precedents that would cause it massive issues down the line), then there is no way to remove them from the UNSC because Article 108 doesn't allow it.