r/seculartalk • u/NbaLiveMobile10 Dicky McGeezak • 4d ago

Debate & Discussion Kyle breaks down Cenk's conversation with Charlie Kirk at Trump rally

https://youtu.be/y5T8CzStTYM?si=d_dei96x6u0_LNSW
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u/falcon-feathers 4d ago

Cenk disgusts me. Good on Kyle picking him apart.

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u/jumpysloth_04 3d ago

Honestly, ever since Luigi, I feel like a veil has been lifted from my eyes. It’s clearer than ever that the elites are fueling a culture war to distract us from uniting in a class struggle. It’s so obvious now. Everything Elon Musk and Trump are doing – it means something to people like us.

I have transgender friends, and I even dated a transgender woman for a year, but I can see the bigger picture. The goal is to keep us divided because if we come together this whole thing is over

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u/falcon-feathers 3d ago

I definitely agree the public has power together but we have also seem many times in history the barbarism inflicted when it is with the wrong partners. That is why it is important for the left to be the leaders of such movement. They need to jump on our bandwagon not us on theirs.

The problem isn't that Cenk isn't talking about trans gender people he is validating Trump as a meaningful alternative to the mainstream. I am not sure if I consider Trump the establishment the way Kylie does. There is more than one axis in the discussion. Fascism, authoritarian strong man rule, oligarchy isn't the establishment which typical filters and dilutes those actors objectives. So while is something the establishment can capitulate, get behind, be intimidated by he isn't the establishment he is something much worse. We have seen this play out many times in the world and it is hellish.