r/seculartalk • u/NbaLiveMobile10 Dicky McGeezak • 3d ago
Debate & Discussion Kyle breaks down Cenk's conversation with Charlie Kirk at Trump rally
https://youtu.be/y5T8CzStTYM?si=d_dei96x6u0_LNSW60
u/fffan9391 3d ago
Glad Kyle has integrity.
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u/falcon-feathers 3d ago
Cenk disgusts me. Good on Kyle picking him apart.
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u/jumpysloth_04 2d ago
Honestly, ever since Luigi, I feel like a veil has been lifted from my eyes. It’s clearer than ever that the elites are fueling a culture war to distract us from uniting in a class struggle. It’s so obvious now. Everything Elon Musk and Trump are doing – it means something to people like us.
I have transgender friends, and I even dated a transgender woman for a year, but I can see the bigger picture. The goal is to keep us divided because if we come together this whole thing is over
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u/falcon-feathers 2d ago
I definitely agree the public has power together but we have also seem many times in history the barbarism inflicted when it is with the wrong partners. That is why it is important for the left to be the leaders of such movement. They need to jump on our bandwagon not us on theirs.
The problem isn't that Cenk isn't talking about trans gender people he is validating Trump as a meaningful alternative to the mainstream. I am not sure if I consider Trump the establishment the way Kylie does. There is more than one axis in the discussion. Fascism, authoritarian strong man rule, oligarchy isn't the establishment which typical filters and dilutes those actors objectives. So while is something the establishment can capitulate, get behind, be intimidated by he isn't the establishment he is something much worse. We have seen this play out many times in the world and it is hellish.
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u/strongwomenfan2025 3d ago
I think Cenk is trying to play 5-D chess. Just gotta see how it plays out.
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u/floodingurtimeline 3d ago
Cenk thinks he’s playing 5-D chess, but he’s just become a useful idiot to the right wing
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u/Millionaire007 2d ago
All I know is 77 million votes went in the opposite direction. Maybe these folks shitting on Cenk should reconsider whatever tf they've been trying for the past decade because it's not working.
Throwing red meat to your online leftist fans may feel great and get views but that's it.
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u/DarthStormwizard 3d ago
Cenk is either grifting or the most gullible man on the planet.
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u/captainjake13 3d ago
I really didn’t think it was possible, even years after I stopped watching TYT. That was disgusting, fuck Cenk.
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist 3d ago
Kyle was my first taste of American leftism, I eventually grew from him to HasanAbi but I love coming back. He’s consistent to a degree that few can match in this space.
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u/Smoothsailing47 leftist, Knee Bender, F the GOP 3d ago
Cenk Rubin? Or Dave Uygur?
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u/bassicchuck 3d ago
Chunk Booger
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u/Vladimir_Putins_Cock 3d ago
Chunk Rubin
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u/Smoothsailing47 leftist, Knee Bender, F the GOP 3d ago
Chunk Yogurt?
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u/ixiBSM 3d ago
The big dumb buffalo?
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 3d ago
This thread is a prime example of sjws upholding their name calling tradition
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u/zmizzy 3d ago
herd it bowlth waze bapa
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u/Jackknife-powerbong 3d ago
Cenk should do a TFATK episode about the pull out from “AF-Gan-Ah-Stan”
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u/Friend_of_satan700 3d ago
For the record I’ve always hated Cenk and TYT. Also I like this guy Kyle. What is the name of his podcast?
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u/triviameeple 2d ago
I hated when he tried to say "take the win" because Republicans now hate Cheney. If they have embraced someone worse, that's no fucking win.
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u/Proud_Awareness4048 2d ago
Nice job, Kyle, for accurately describing what Cenk is accomplishing for MAGA.
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u/strongwomenfan2025 3d ago
Big Cenk knows what he's doing. This is 5D chess. Trust the process. Let's not forget that without Cenk we never would have had the Justice Democrats and by extension AOC. His efforts have led to the largest ever visible Progressive footprint in Congress.
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u/Joleinik19 3d ago edited 2d ago
lol, hope this is sarcasm.
Cenk is a giant sellout; no way he’d be pushing this “have a beer” shit had Kamala won.
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u/IllustriousPiece4250 3d ago
Is anyone surprised that Cenk is making a heel turn? The man vehemently defended his belief that he could be president despite not being from the US. After that boondoggle, it was clear he’s not a serious person.
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u/Joleinik19 3d ago
His whole run for presidency was to hawk his shitty book. And both crashed and burned, which is why now he’s courting MAGA.
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 3d ago
Cenk has invested his time and money into starting political movements but ya he is not a serious person unlike vanguard or vaush etc. who have accomplished so much sitting on their asses right?
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u/falcon-feathers 2d ago
Yes whatever Cenk is he is more serious. Though it definitely has a huge ego driven component and he would rather bask in the reflected light of hell than fan the ember of his own creation.
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u/Millionaire007 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're ALL ego driven cenk(cenk and that vaush guy may have to find another planet to house their ego's) actually tries to effect change. Too many of these online leftist make a great living with 1 camera, screaming out into their echo chamber, while changing jack shit. All of their subscribers have grown but somehow they're all just speaking to the same shrinking crowd.
It's scary how comfortable these people are by changing nothing. Somehow all these people got bigger and the movement got smaller.
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u/strongwomenfan2025 2d ago
One point that Cenk has in his favor is that without political power, you cannot get anything accomplished. I think his angle is that the Left must moderate the message in a way that the electorate can digest and appreciate. If you cannot appeal to the electorate, your political ambitions will go up in smoke.
For all the flack Cenk is getting, I can say that no other Progressive channel has made the same inroads offline into mainstream politics as organizations fronted by Cenk. Specifically the Justice Democrats. He knows politics.
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 3d ago edited 3d ago
bruh, I had to double check if I was in r/KyleKulinski which is filled with vaushites or destiny cultists after reading the comments...
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u/nematoad22 3d ago
Cenks become more tolerant of right wing grifters the last year. Also tyt has been hanging on by a thread for a while I wonder what his motivation is hmm... He wouldn't be pulling the very same trick as all those why I left the left people right? RIGHT?
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u/Joleinik19 2d ago
Cenk fully revealing himself as a grifter who was all bluster and no action.
I remember him constantly pushing that politics, particularly Democrats, needs to get rid of etiquette and decorum and we need fighters.
Now, Trump has won again and instead of fighting he’s courting MAGA and pushing a lame “let’s all get along over a beer”. Total phony. I knew he was a fake watching him interview Charlie Kirk at the DNC; never pressed him on anything and spent the whole time trying to find common ground. He talks tough when he’s on his rant but in front of people he folds faster than Superman on laundry day.
Now he gets to be the sad clown MAGA brings out to kick around and laugh out. It is nice to see that not even MAGA is buying his obvious grift
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u/strongwomenfan2025 2d ago
No action? He's made action where it matters most: the real world. Ever heard of the Justice Democrats? He has sponsored people who actually made it to Congress. No other Progressive organization can make those claims
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u/Joleinik19 1d ago
That was 8 years ago.
Only action he’s taken since Trump won is to go beg like a dog on right wing platforms in a pitiful attempt to poach viewers.
Or maybe you’re counting his pathetic run for President as action? The one where he got less than 2% in the primary and was just a cover to hawk his shitty book that nobody bought
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u/Capable_Wallaby3251 3d ago
This is Vanguard level bullshit from someone who is much smarter than the Vanguard.
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u/BoneHugsHominy 3d ago
Ah yes, the bullshit of playing their own video and words and explaining why they're wrong. "THEY'RE MAKING MONEEEEY!!!"
[patiently waiting for TYT to return all the moneeeey they made covering the right wing grift shift of other commentators]
Your parasocial relationship with TYT isn't real. How long will you let them abuse your mind and your trust before you open your eyes and see?
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u/NonSpecificRedit Too jaded to believe BS 3d ago
You can chose to defend what should be obvious because you're invested in TyT not making a rightward shift but The Vanguard deserves their flowers. They've been right on Cenk and Anna and their early accusations have been vindicated.
You don't have to like The Vanguard or stop watching TyT but accepting the reality that they've made a conscious decision to shift to the right would be a good start.
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u/Jaime_Horn_Official Green Voter / Eco-Socialist 3d ago
Gavin and Zac don't deserve shit. I've agreed with them before, but this gossipy, middle school balderdash is so tiresome and does NOTHING to expand the movement. The people who hate TYT aren't watching TYT; all they do is farm drama for clicks. I love Kyle, but it's completely fair to assume that's what he's doing here considering that he's refrained from this poppycock in the past.
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u/Jaime_Horn_Official Green Voter / Eco-Socialist 3d ago
People who are downvoting are so intellectually immature and not worth anyone's time. I love Kyle, but you're completely right; what good does this TMZ, "ERMEHGERD KAN U BEELIEVE WUT ANA SAD1?11?111!!" bullshit do for anyone, let alone the movement?
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u/NewCenter Populist Left 3d ago
Kyle, sadly has surrounded himself with blue maga, libs and drama streamers like vaush, destiny, vanguard and humanist report. he is in a bubble. vanguard are doing great at dividing the left with fringe issues and making the left ineffective with the infighting. this seems like it is directly out of fbi or cia playbook.
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u/Jaime_Horn_Official Green Voter / Eco-Socialist 3d ago edited 3d ago
Why is Kyle suddenly joining the parade of idiots attacking TYT? However you feel about them, who does this help? What good does this do for anything? Is this because of that crybaby Mike Figueredo? I'm genuinely asking because last I heard, they were still on good terms. This feels like when Hasan launched his unprovoked, vicious attack on Ana.
By the way, I don't agree with Cenk associating with these vermin, but IDGAF if he does because, y'know, I actually have a life and I'm not a parasocial basement-dweller?
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u/NbaLiveMobile10 Dicky McGeezak 3d ago
I think it is reasonable for a political commentator like Kyle who has previous associations with Cenk who owns a large media company that brands itself as "home of progressives" but is shifting his views to the right and trying to suck up to right wing media figures for attention.
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u/Jaime_Horn_Official Green Voter / Eco-Socialist 3d ago
Well, he never said anything before when all the other dimwits were throwing a temper tantrum. Did Cenk insult his mother behind the scenes or something?
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u/Comrade_Tool 2d ago
Cenk is this you? You're in here talking about parasocial basement dwellers while going on this tirade? Really? You don't see the irony? You seem super pissed off and aggravated calling everybody an idiot and Mike a crybaby(while they have way more reason to be pissed off than you do) because Cenk and Ana can't take any criticism from people in the same media space as them. Maybe Kyle realizes it's actually bad for the left for people like Cenk to do what he's doing and realizes it needs to be called out for the bullshit that it is.
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