r/reddeadredemption Aug 20 '24

Video The duality of Arthur Morgan

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u/Too__Official Sean Macguire Aug 20 '24

low honor arthur understands everything and explains things bluntly

high honor arthur understands everything and also empathizes with people and shows more emotion

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u/Takhar7 Aug 20 '24

Crucially, neither option = pointless asshole.

I'm replaying mass effect right now, and am having a really hard time pushing through my renegade playthrougg because most of the time renegade means being a dick just for the sake of it. It's so unnecessary

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u/sonofvc Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

I agree, but as a HUGE mass effect fan, I can never do a pure run of either paragon or renegade.

Like, I’ll always get peace between the quarians and geth

But I’m letting garrus take that shot, and I may let the council die to focus our ships lol.

EDIT:

Definitely punch gerrel in the stomach every time, you do not risk Tali’s life, unless you are shepard and you send her in the tunnels, then it’s a okay. Lol

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u/Chazo138 Aug 20 '24

That and David Archer. Only an absolute psycho would leave him in that contraption. It’s just suffering with no benefit.

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u/Empeaux Aug 20 '24

I played the trilogy when it first came out and am just now playing the remaster. Wow, that mission crushed me. It caught me so off guard too, most ME missions aren't that disturbing.

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u/Chazo138 Aug 20 '24

Yeah they updated his look and he looks rough, the blood and tears is heartbreaking honestly.

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u/Empeaux Aug 21 '24

I don't think that mission was in the original and was instead DLC. If it wasn't DLC I missed it, the remaster was my first time playing the mission. It was a crazy shock.

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u/revan530 Aug 21 '24

Yes, it was the Overlord DLC.

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u/Chazo138 Aug 21 '24

Ah yeah it was dlc originally. He didn’t have the blood around his eyes and the damage wasn’t as graphic. They went all out to show how horrifying it was to be put through that. He had tears but not as detailed either. Honestly ME Legendary edition was a big W in terms of upgrade to me.

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u/sonofvc Aug 20 '24

Exactly.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

Paragade is the best way.

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u/engetsu245 Aug 21 '24

The only time I go even remotely full renegade is during Grunts mission on Tuchanka in 2, headbutting the elitist prick is worth it, and Wrex's reactions are great too

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u/l0rd_azrael Arthur Morgan Aug 21 '24

Yes definitely agree. I don't like doing a pure paragon/renegade run and never will. There are moments where you should use renegade like in ME3 with Talli's court mission. I like to use the mix of both depending on the situation.

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u/adamscholfield Aug 21 '24

So low honor Arthur is just straight to the point and stoic and not just straight dick bag? Or maybe is that only for certain interactions?

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u/Adaphion Aug 21 '24

I love game characters that are already pre-defined like this. You can make some decisions here and there, which slightly changes things, as seen in the OP video, but it doesn't change tte core of the character.

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

But being an asshole cuz why not is so much better lol

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u/Takhar7 Aug 20 '24

No. It's not. It's immersion breaking, and isn't, at least in ME1, what renegade was meant to be

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

To each their own

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u/Spartan0330 Aug 20 '24

I never got why being a paragon in ME1 was much beneficial. Everyone treated you like garbage. Forgive me if I’m not repaying the favor. In ME 2 (which was the best of the series) being good felt better and the game was paced so you could let the story breathe. ME3 I felt rushed and couldn’t enjoy the game at all. I played it through twice and didn’t enjoy either time though.

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u/Takhar7 Aug 21 '24

In Me2, being good = your crew survived, and being bad = death.

Just a stupid, stupid system that didn't get criticized anywhere near enough. At least in the KOTOR games the "dark side" playthrough was grounded in you being ruthless, cold, and cunning when it came to meeting your objectives.

The ME games don't even try to replicate that. Renegade = congrats, you're an asshole. Was so dumb

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u/Typical_Basket709 Aug 21 '24

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

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u/Civil_Emergency_573 Aug 21 '24

I always went paragon when dealing with crewmates and renegade when dealing with enemies and other belligerents. It just makes it more flavorful.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

Would've been funny if he gave her less cash on low honor

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u/Financial_Cellist_70 Aug 20 '24

Or took a few dollars back after realizing he gave too much lol

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u/sheynzonna Aug 20 '24

Just what I thought too xD

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

"Wait, I need that uhh can you break fifty?"

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u/TechDaddyK Aug 21 '24

“Do you have change?”

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u/SnaggedInk Aug 21 '24

“This is seven dollars..”

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u/TiltedLama Josiah Trelawny Aug 21 '24

"Well, I said get something pretty, not expensive"

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u/Dil_356 Dutch van der Linde Aug 21 '24

I said get something nice not expensive

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u/EagleSaintRam Sadie Adler Aug 20 '24

If they played around with the part where he gave her additional bills, that could actually be striking. Like high honor Arthur is going above and beyond.

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u/Apophis_36 John Marston Aug 20 '24

Low honor actually goes hard, i like that he's not an asshole, just not as sweet talking

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u/Own_Ad5814 Aug 20 '24

I played it low honour, not dick low honour randomly murdering and killing strangers just general outlaw low honour. I thought his end was far more fitting too. Bullet to the head and left in the rain seemed way more like the death of a gunslinger than staring into the sunrise going out relatively peacefully and content

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u/thasiccness Aug 20 '24

When I did that fight with Micah, and he won and shot you in the face, I legit clutched the controller and yelled something to the effect of "motherf*****!"

I then replayed it, beat Micah ass and sat at that ledge and died peacefully.

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u/Burnt-Priest Aug 21 '24

"Damn us both!"

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u/fuckina420 Sean Macguire Aug 21 '24

For me, I wasn't givin that piece of shit Micah Bell the pleasure of killing me

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u/JBSully82 Aug 21 '24

How do you avoid him killing you with a knife to the back?

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u/justvibing__3000 Arthur Morgan Aug 21 '24

Help john

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u/JBSully82 Aug 21 '24

Ahhh yes. The ol' turn for the money

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u/WhatAreYouSaying05 Aug 21 '24

I mean, he kills you anyway. It’s just that instead of shooting you he just lets you slowly die

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u/ILawI1898 Aug 22 '24

I think that couples along with the beauty of Arthur’s story. Despite his exact role as a “gunslinger”, he explains to fans of the prospect that he “isn’t really” one. He shoots people in the back, isn’t interested in fame, and treats fortune more as something more tangible rather than a grand treasure over an outlaw’s years. All that other stuff? Bunk.

It’s one of my favorite bits about Arthur that makes him a really well rounded character. He’s not just a bounty hunter, explorer, herbalist, or gunslinger, he’s Arthur Morgan, and he died just like his story leads, wherever it lands.

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u/GareththeJackal Aug 20 '24

More of these!

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u/nymeriasnow4 Sadie Adler Aug 20 '24

Yes I could watch hundreds of these!!

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u/Moppyploppy Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24

Me: I've played this through 4 times, I'll be ok.

Arthur: MRS. ADLER....

Me: I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok I'm ok.....

Arthur: RIDE WITH ME.

Me: *I was not, in fact, ok*

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u/lazylacey86 Pearson Aug 21 '24

That line hits so damn hard

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u/WitchyGnome Arthur Morgan Aug 20 '24

Forever high honor Arthur! I took the 'redemption' part literally, and for all the bad things he did I tried to do what I considered honorable where I could.

Giving him a sunset death broke me, but I think the low honor death would have destroyed me.

I won't be able to replay the game in a very long time, I never ever cried because of a video game, until red dead redemption 2.

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u/jspook Arthur Morgan Aug 20 '24

May I... stand unshaken

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u/WitchyGnome Arthur Morgan Aug 20 '24

Don't you dare!

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u/fattestfuckinthewest Aug 20 '24

My first playthrough was low honor and my god I was heart broken with Micah’s treatment of me

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u/Mgk012 Mary-Beth Gaskill Aug 20 '24

high honor, going for money was damn too underrated. man got ocean of adrenaline rush when the low honor sound and the song started to play together.

Arthur was badass the whole run back to the camp.

"I rise to the top..." shit that was crazy

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u/CG_TP Aug 20 '24

Song has Nas in it as well. Pretty freakin dope

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u/FiveCentsADay Aug 21 '24

Kinda drunk, dont understand

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u/CrazedDragon64 Aug 24 '24

“Go sleep it off you drunk, is that clear?”

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u/DickD1ck1 Hosea Matthews Aug 20 '24

i like how he still treated jack the same

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u/X_Factor04 Aug 20 '24

Oh wow this some detailing level. Is there a source for these alternative dialogues for different honor levels?

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u/konkrete_kiwis Aug 20 '24

yeah theres multiple instances where other characters have different dialogues/actions with low or high honor arthur. Its a big reason why many players have a high honor and a low honor run-through

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u/Basic_Abroad_9773 Aug 21 '24

I'm trying to do a low honor run through but I keep wanting to help everyone I find just so I don't miss out on game dialogue

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u/justvibing__3000 Arthur Morgan Aug 21 '24

I try and do low honour runs but I get to chapter 6 and just feel bad so I don't

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u/MontrealChickenSpice Aug 20 '24

During the train bridge job with John, Arthur speaks of the camp money as if he's planning a heist, instead of providing for John's family.

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

A heist to provide for Arthur's family

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u/morbiddruid Aug 20 '24

“All them goddamn years…”

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u/maketurch Aug 20 '24

They should name it low empathy Arthur instead of low honor Arthur

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u/SokkaHaikuBot Aug 20 '24

Sokka-Haiku by maketurch:

They should name it low

Empathy Arthur instead

Of low honor Arthur


Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.

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u/MetaphoricalMouse Uncle Aug 20 '24

VA FAN GOOL BOT

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u/Tamer9 Aug 20 '24

Low honour just seems so wrong to me. I’ve never had a low honour playthrough.

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u/MetaphoricalMouse Uncle Aug 20 '24

cant bring myself to do it either

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u/Savathun-God-Of-Lies John Marston Aug 20 '24

Out of curiosity why does it feel wrong?

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u/Tamer9 Aug 21 '24

The dialogues don’t seem as canon. It’s like Arthur is trying too hard to be mean.

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u/HennywayOut Aug 21 '24

I didn’t think anything here was mean

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u/ghost_of_Theweb Aug 22 '24

That's how canonically Arthur used to be, before getting tuberculosis because that's when he started to rethink his life choices.

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u/Tamer9 Aug 22 '24

I’m sorry but Arthur before TB would embrace Tilly in that moment; not be aloof and dismissive. The high honour cutscenes are way more realistic and canon IMO.

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u/ghost_of_Theweb Aug 23 '24

The high honor events are canon only AFTER the TB event, but before that Arthur had still the mindset of an outlaw and a murder, but again that was before his redemption ark

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u/KaydensReddit Aug 20 '24

I fucking love causing pain and suffering and watching NPCs beg for mercy as I slowly torture them to death.

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u/JagHeterSimon Aug 21 '24

Because you were bullied in school?

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u/FriendlyIcicle Aug 20 '24

Now I'll need to go find a video with every main story dialogue changed by the honor system

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u/TheRealGerbi1 Aug 20 '24

This is worth watching!

Kudos to Rockstar for making such a magnificent game!

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u/badboi_5214 Aug 20 '24

Could have worked better on slow ass animations.

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

What? You don't wanna spend 30 seconds picking up a can? Unbelievable

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u/MetaphoricalMouse Uncle Aug 20 '24

what kind of slow ass animation we talking about? uncles?

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u/pressthebutt0n John Marston Aug 20 '24

I'm not crying I'm not crying I'm not crying I'm not crying

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

Lol

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u/Premonitionss Dutch van der Linde Aug 20 '24

I didn’t know there were multiple endings via the honor system in my first play through, so low honor was how it went down for me. I still love the dialogue Arthur has in these scenes

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u/TWK128 Josiah Trelawny Aug 21 '24

Just be friendly to everyone in passing. Somehow, this alone will just make you some kind of paragon.

Meanwhile, every gang member that crosses us gets a closed casket funeral, assuming they can identify the body.

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u/BootsofEvil Aug 21 '24

Don’t even have to be friendly to anyone. My first run Arthur was a right bastard to all of humanity, but I ended the game in high honor because I took great care of my horse.

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u/TWK128 Josiah Trelawny Aug 21 '24

Lol. I just did Howdy runs.

Sometimes I'd punch my horse after it left me today die at the hands of a mountain lion.

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u/madladolle Aug 20 '24

Why tf y'all adding this background music all the time

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u/CheetahNervous7704 Aug 22 '24

Depends on where it was uploaded but it interferes with the sound to prevent bots issuing copyright takedowns

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u/Riolidan Aug 20 '24

"Mrs. Adler. Ride with me!" Still gives me chills.

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u/StockHour Aug 21 '24

I've never had a game actually make me feel emotional it would always be a pseudo motivation after a clearly not going to happen thing like the Eiffel Tower falling on MW3 for 360. Then I played the end of RDR2 and I legitimately felt sad. My character was dying. The horse I had been with through 90% of the game goes down and Arthur thanks them. Half the gang betrays you and the flashbacks coupled with the music just hit me so hard.

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u/Jokerr_2_1 Aug 21 '24

Mrs. Adler... Ride with me... for death and glory

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u/Vocovon Aug 21 '24

Sadie was the greatest addition to the franchise. I absolutely love her character

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u/Bad_RabbitS Charles Smith Aug 20 '24

I like that no matter his honor level he’s always gentle with Jack. Even with low honor he’s not heartless

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u/Conscious-Music3060 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

I’ve been wondering if I could bottom out my honor and then make it all up on a big fishing trip by throwing back fish.

“Yeah, you had a $5000 dollar bounty in every state for robbing and killing and barfighting… but you surely did fish just for sport.

You’re a good man, Arthur Morgan.”

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u/king-glundun Micah Bell Aug 20 '24

Low honor is significantly better imo

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u/fattestfuckinthewest Aug 20 '24

Same, I prefer it over the high honor. RDR1 gives me high honor vibes more. John just wants to go home and be with his family

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u/Savathun-God-Of-Lies John Marston Aug 20 '24

Haha your flair makes sense then

I love low honor too ^ ^

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u/ShadowKnight_Ind Arthur Morgan Aug 21 '24

I don't know man... Low Honour Arthur just doesn't feel right to me. It feels off imo

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u/BittyMcBotboi Arthur Morgan Aug 20 '24

There are two wolves inside you:

  • Good man with gun

  • Feely feely bad, go 'way feely feelies

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u/RadioMaleficent Aug 20 '24

I would love one of these but with Arthur/John stranger missions cutscene differences

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u/TheOffKn1ght Aug 20 '24

Is there a different ending if Arthur chooses to get the money at the end rather than helping John? I helped John in my first/only full play through and was curious how different it would be for John if Arthur didn't help him.

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u/Notverysmartcreature Aug 20 '24

Yes, he gets the money and cures his tuberculosis then lives a peaceful life with Mary.

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u/fattestfuckinthewest Aug 20 '24

There’s 2 different deaths for Arthur if you go for the money. Low honor Arthur gets stabbed to death by Micah and High Honor Arthur cuts out Micah’s eye and dies of his illness under the sun light

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u/Remarkable-Dig9782 Aug 20 '24

Either way between plays you really forget how well written this game is, both the story line and the characterization is excellent. I really don't see myself getting tired of this game but I am really looking forward to the next step in the series

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u/kittylitter79 Aug 20 '24

I've never played low honor. Thanks for this!

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u/WN11 Aug 20 '24

Hell, you're making me play low honor Arthur.

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u/Bobby_Hill_Jr Aug 20 '24

Well time for another playthrough.

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u/Icy_Agency_3099 Aug 20 '24

I recently just finished my first play through….i played a very grey game, my typical play style, and got a Low Honor Ending (Micha and a bullet)….recked me for several days….I desperately want to start the game over to get the high honor dialogues and ending….but I need to complete the last epilogue and have a grieving period I think…

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u/FetusGoesYeetus Aug 20 '24

What I like about low honor is that he isn't a complete asshole, he's just colder. He still cares about the gang but he's more blunt, not as warm.

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u/munkfitz Aug 20 '24

You're a good man, Arthur Morgan

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u/lordkelvin13 Aug 20 '24

Low honor Arthur is just tired of all their shits 😂

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u/B4rberblacksheep Aug 21 '24

I always get goosebumps from that last line

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u/THEnotsosuperman Aug 21 '24

“Mrs. Adler, ride with me”

Always gives me goosebumps

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u/justs4ying Aug 21 '24

Man, this game is so perfect. One of the best experiences in video game.

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u/DALE5797 Charles Smith Aug 21 '24

Arthur Morgan will always be an honorable man in my book. The best man I know.

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u/TrappedSoul41 Aug 21 '24

Got an Arthur Morgan tattoo last week. He’s a good man.

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u/No-Watercress64 Aug 21 '24

It really is interesting how they aren’t entirely different at all, just high honor shows a bit more sympathy whilst low honor is more blunt.

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u/leeboy1985 Aug 21 '24

Apart from the endings (which you can see on YouTube) is there any point to put much effort in karma?

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u/PhilliesDude2k20 Aug 21 '24

Arthur's last band roll 😭

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u/Boggie135 Sean Macguire Aug 21 '24

I'm not crying, I got something in my eye

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u/gbous_ Aug 21 '24

"Mrs. Adler, ride with me!"

Stupid damn game giving me chills

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u/ihaveadarkedge Aug 21 '24

I'm so glad I started another playthrough, though I'm a long way off this existential stuff. Psyched though. On reflection, you see the cracks in the gang's dynamics from the very get go.

I'm always high honor. Can't seem to bring myself to go low.

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u/Tswiftt22 Tilly Jackson Aug 21 '24

Lol this is so sad :(

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u/Deszusz895 Aug 21 '24

Rdr2 is capter 1 2 3 low honor, chaoter 4 5 6 is high honor

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u/MrAndrewJackson Aug 21 '24

I like when Arthur is sweet with Tilly she is my favorite

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u/Electrical-Tea-1882 Aug 21 '24

I haven't played in so long and this scene gave me chills and got me a tad misty eyed.

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u/STR_Guy Aug 21 '24

Pretty subtle.

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u/Rileyjonleon Aug 21 '24

I always felt that atleast the low honor ending was canon it just makes more sense as to why John never rlly mentions the gang let alone Arthur

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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE Aug 22 '24

You guys are simping so hard for some minor dialogue changes Jesus Christ this isn’t particularly impressive

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u/kidnamedsquidfart Sep 13 '24

Loved this part, arthur calls tilly sweetheart then in van horn sadie calls arthur honey.

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u/Spartan0330 Aug 20 '24

Follow me here - but what if you played through the game and you’re neither high nor low honor? I’ve playing the first time through in years and just started Ch. 6. Each choice I’ve made has been just how I felt in the moment. My Arthur is neither good nor bad, he is a creation of his own choices.

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u/Aiti_mh Aug 20 '24

There is positive and negative honour. Game mechanic. Even if you do whatever you feel like each time and don't care to aim for high or low, your Arthur will still be somewhere on the spectrum. There is no avoiding that.

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u/Spartan0330 Aug 20 '24

Right I know. My Arthur is right in the middle though. That’s what I was trying to say.

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u/Lachybomb Aug 20 '24

Is your Arthur picture on the honor meter a human or a skeleton? If he's a skeleton, it's considered low honor and if he's a human, it's considered high honor. If you are right near the middle and make good and bad choices equally, you would probably switch between the two very often, and get a mix of high honor and low honor cutscenes depending on your honor level when you trigger them.