My theory isn’t anything original for I’ve seen others speculate the same thing. We know that Jack in the first game wanted to be an writer. We know this from his knowledge of reading during the Epilogue. Him reading King Arthur & The Round Table. And John acknowledges him reading all the time. After the events of Red Dead Redemption, we play as Jack and after he gets his revenge by killing Ross. We aren’t sure what happens afterwords. My speculation is he finally became a writer by writing tales about his father & Arthur. This is possible for him to do since there’s an easter egg in GTA 5 of a book on Franklin’s shelf called “Red Dead” by J. Marston. My theory is Jack looked through Arthur’s journal and read his notes about the events of Red Dead 2. Then we know John continued writing in Arthur’s journal, and through the events of Red Dead Redemption. He probably wrote down some of the events from the game of him traveling through Mexico and him hunting for Dutch. Maybe, just maybe Jack wanted to honor his dad by making him a western legend. Like all most westerns, where they are legends and are heavily exaggerated. For example, we know Red Dead Revolver is an exaggerated tale about Red Harlow by some Sheriff. So it makes sense for both games to be exaggerated since there’s lots of supernatural easter eggs and references in both games. It would be possible that these tales were exaggerated by Jack to add more story elements to his father’s & Arthur’s story throughout both games. Again this is all a theory, nothing is facts since both GTA & Red Dead are separate universes. It’s just a fun idea to speculate on.

So during the big San Denis bank robbery, everyone dressed up nice. But micahs wearing a loud obnoxious white suit. I was thinking how dumb that was but they I got to thinking. What if he wore that on purpose so the law knew to not shoot him? He definitely stood out from the rest. I just thought it was intresting

This may seem a bit far fetched so strap in guys, it’s a weird one. (Excuse the rubbish format, I’m on mobile.)

So, we know Micah was picked up by the Pinkertons right after Guarma, yeah? And as you don’t retrieve your horse until a little bit later, you can steal one. Now to me, it seems the player is directed to a specific horse hitched outside the bar (is it Annesburg or Van Horn? I can’t remember) and that horse is a tobiano Hungarian Half-Bred.

However, during the Chapter Two mission ‘The Sheep and the Goats’, you can see a Pinkerton agent next to Cornwall, saddled on a tobiano Hungarian Half-Bred. This horse is pretty hard to find unless you’re extremely lucky and find one at a camp or nab one off a bounty hunter, so we know they’re not super common and are kind of exclusive to these characters, right?

SO, my line of thought is, an agent could’ve been inside the town’s bar and that’s where Micah was grabbed- maybe the horse you can steal is a Pinkerton’s and that’s why you don’t lose honour for taking it as you would by stealing an ‘innocent’s’; also, Micah takes a while compared to others to reach Lakay, but I realise this could be down to not knowing where the gang was holed up at the time and I’m just grasping at straws or something.

I feel like this isn’t just a random coincidence because, y’know, it’s Rockstar and I thought it would be a pretty neat thing, like a red herring, maybe?

But, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, please tell me your thoughts!

The Blind Man see’s further than everybody else and tells exactly what’s happening and what will happen.

First he teaches you about himself: "A dollar for your future... a dollar for your fate."

“Be not afraid... I see only true things"

That means if you are willing to help someone expecting nothing in return you’re going to obtain the most important gifts from it, and the gift he specifically gives you is seeing something you’re are unable to see.

“Be a wise man... be a fool for love"

During Arthur’s life he have been loyal to the outlaw ethos from Dutch’s gang but he always sensed there was something wrong with it and ended up abandoning a lot of things he deemed important and suppressing his own needs and emotions.

He lost his son and his girlfriend at 19.

He lost his relationships with Mary Linton and Abigail (yeah, they had a relationship before Abigail had one with Marston but Arthur never committed to her because he was committed to the gang)

”You didn't run from last we spoke, sir, you didn't run far enough"

Arthur started to notice Dutch’s lack of good leadership caring only for his own revenges and not looking after the other members putting them in danger needlessly.

Arthur’s also noticed the problems started when Micah’s joined the gang but he didn’t investigate and kept obeying orders instead of sticking to his instincts.

You can even find a Dutch Wanted poster in Micah’s camp after the first mission you do with him.

He was a rat from the beginning, he even tells Arthur:

“I’m not loyal to anything. I’m a survivor, it’s all there is.”

Blind Man Cassidy then urges him to run away from the problems.

Dutch is too confident and will not hear anyone else, Micah is a rat that feed Dutch’s ego for greatness and ambition.

”You are not who you think you are, sir, which is lucky."

Arthur always had goodness in his heart but was naive about the world, he entered Dutch’s gang at 14 years old and that style of life was the only one he knew, even his father was an outlaw, that clogged his judgment and Dutch’s never helped his judgment get better because Dutch seemed a good person and helped people (Robin Hood style) but the outlaw life can’t bring people good things.

Arthur’s says to Rains Fall: “Well... you don’t get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you.”

That makes Arthur believe his a bad person but other people can see in him what he doesn’t see in himself...

”It's no use hoping, your father is seduced by the one with the forked tongue... it's no use hoping"

Arthur’s delude himself hoping Dutch’s is going to choose the right things and the gang will prosper, but Dutch!is seduced by the forked tongue, there’s two important things to be noticed here:

• Dutch is SEDUCED by forked tongue, his completely bad, the vast majority of times you saw him do something good he actually meant it
• The forked tongue is Micah. The opposite of Micah is Hosea and Arthur.

”Be warned, sir, be warned. Surrounded by fields of fire and flesh, the devil will make his sacrifice"

In the mission in the Oil fields with the Indians, Dutch left Arthur to die eventually making his sacrifice, from that point on, there were no turning back.

Dutch had the bonds from Cornwall and could actually do what he promised to Arthur in the office but he got greedy and overly confident and made a judgement over Arthur the same way he made a judgment over John in the Bank of Saint Denis, little did he know Arthur would save John and John would eventually come for him.

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "Be warned, sir. Do not sleep too deeply. The man with no nose is coming for you."

Arthur’s life was close to an end, Blind Man Cassidy urges him to do what he need to do because death was really close.

"Even when all reason is lost, and all truth has become lie, you will stand firm for loyalty is both your saving and your curse."

Arthur’s kept loyalty to Dutch and gang even after all the negative events and betrayals but that would change the fate of history ultimately being his saving and his curse.

If Arthur didn’t have come back, Dutch, John and the rest of the gang would die to the Pinkertons since Micah had planned an ambush with the agents.

But Arthur and John show up at the same moment and both confront Dutch and Micah creating enough distraction for them to run away through the cave.

That would culminate in Arthur’s death but would also help saving John’s family and that actually was something Arthur!was proud of.

"Your whole life has been one of regret... but it can end better than it began"

Arthur accepted his mistakes and actually started to change and act instead of obeying orders, he took action and had his redemption.

In the fight with Micah he says: “Can you see I’ve won?”

When Dutch’s show up and Micah says to Dutch: “Come on Dutch, we’ve made it.”

Arthur’s then replies: “Johh made it!”

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "You have learned what matters. All else is lies”

Arthur finally saw through the lies and saw the love he felt for people around him and took action to took them out of the style of life that would only lead them to suffering.

For John, Blind Man Cassidy have 3 quotes when they encounter and all of them foreshadows the first game story:

BLIND MAN CASSIDY “Your past is preventing your future change.”

John have a lot of habits that makes it difficult for him to change but if he never stops looking to the past he will never change to what he can become and eventually have the happiest years of his life.

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "They will come for you, friend, and when they do you will not have a choice. You have lived better than most."

“Two men are looking for you. One comes from this world, the other from another. The first one is looking for hatred, the second one... I don't know.”

The first man are Edgar Ross the Pinkerton detective looking to make Abigail (who killed Agent Milton, his boss and close friend), Dutch, Javier Escuella and Bill Williamson and the members (who have killed a bunch of Pinkertons, obviously friends of Ross) and last but not least John Marston who would be the key to the whole operation.

The second man is The Strange Man, Blind Man Cassidy says he doesn’t know why he’s looking for John Marston but The Strange Man tells us in one of the greatest moments of the whole series:

The Strange Man: *Ain't this a beautiful spot?

John Marston: Sure. What are you doing here?

The Strange Man: My accounts. I'm an accountant.

John Marston: Is that so?

The Strange Man: In a way.

John Marston: What's your name?

The Strange Man: You know, it’s the darndest thing, but I can't remember.

John Marston: Tell me your damn name and where you know me from!

The Strange Man: Well, I know you from Mexico, and I know you from back out West. I know you from all over.

John Marston: Tell me your name, or I won't be responsible for my actions.

The Strange Man: Oh, but you will. You will be responsible. This is a fine spot. See you around, cowboy.

John Marston: Damn you!

The Strange Man: Many have.

You don’t give fine spots for people who don’t deserve them and remember my friend...

I Know You!

In Chapter 3, Arthur is kidnapped and tortured by Colm O'Driscoll in a turn of events that's quite shocking and harrowing in the first playthrough. Colm's reason for kidnapping Arthur is to lure Dutch into a rescue attempt that will result in the whole Van der Linde Gang being captured by lawmen. (I'm assuming the torture part is due to Colm's sadism/bitterness and jealousy Arthur won't join his gang rather than anything practical!)

However, if you put any thought into the circumstances of the kidnapping, it quickly makes no sense at all. As soon as Colm has Arthur, he has the sniper position. As soon as he has the sniper position, he has Dutch. (Micah is a nonentity here: if he is working with the O'Driscolls, he backs off a step and covers Dutch, if he's not the sniper puts a bullet in his head to eliminate him as a variable/drive the point home to Dutch.) So why let Dutch leave? The reasoning that he wants to capture the whole gang doesn't really hold water. The only known members of the gang (the ones we know for sure with individual high bounties in the US) are Dutch, Arthur and Hosea. Why would Colm risk losing the main prize of Dutch for a sick old man and a bunch of random nobodies? Logically, he wouldn't and Colm is never characterised as stupid. So the question remains why did he let Dutch go? The answer has to be because he knew Dutch would be back to save Arthur. How could he be so sure? Because he witnessed it before.

I'm not saying the O'Driscolls had kidnapped Arthur before (I'm sure that would have been mentioned!), but rather that someone else, perhaps another gang, did. Colm's passionate conviction that Dutch was going to get so angry that he'd attack with everything he has speaks to the fact that Colm witnessed these exact circumstances before, that he was there when the news of Arthur's kidnapping hit Dutch and he saw Dutch's fury and immediate action with his own eyes. That's why he was so sure of Dutch's response. That's why he let Dutch go.

So I have only noticed this now in my second playthrough, but I think I am onto something. After you save Sean with Trelawny, there is a piece of dialogue at camp where Arthur tells Dutch that Trelawny told him there are posters of Dutch and Hosea all over Blackwater. Thing is, Hosea wasn't a part of the ferry heist. If you read Arthur's journal, he says that he and Hosea have been running a real estate scam while the gang was camped outside of Blackwater and that it was Dutch and Micah who were planning the ferry job. He even says that he's gonna have to sit the job out because he was too busy working with Hosea, which automatically tells us that Hosea skipped the ferry heist as well. So isn't it a little suspicious that the heist was carried out by Dutch, Micah and a group (likely Bill, Javier and maybe Sean and the Callanders) but the wanted posters all over town are of Dutch and Hosea? My theory is that Micah has already been working with the Pinkertons at this point and he acted as their mole in Dutch's whole operation. Then in this case specifically, the Pinkertons and Micah pretty much set Hosea up and had him take the blame for the heist as well, despite physically not being there. It would explain why Trelawny doesn't mention posters of Micah in Blackwater, despite him being pretty recognizable and definitely involved. What are your thoughts?

Nothing is know about john's daughter, except that she's dead, in a bit of dialogue in the epilogue in rdr2 we learn that the marston family went to yukon to participate in the gold rush, after thinking about it for a minute, Abigail gave birth while or before they got to yukon and there daughter died on the way, or in yukon, explaining the lack of a grave.

I'm sure most of you know about this small Easter Egg, but since the two universes have been intertwined with the Madam Nazar info, I'm curious what you think about this?