r/reddeadmysteries • u/PULVERIZER_V1 • Jul 23 '21
Theory Was the gang set up during their first train robbery in the events of the game?
Some theorise that Micah Bell was a traitor from the start and I find this theory interesting.
Do let me know your thoughts
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Jul 23 '21
I'm pretty sure that Micah can be in jail during this mission, so it probably wasn't him.
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u/HalcyonKnights Jul 23 '21
Sounds like Micah, in the Jailhouse, might have tipped off the Fuzz to one or more of the plans that had been tossed around camp.
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u/NYR525 Jul 23 '21
Yeah, being in jail only makes it more likely that he ratted. Like he says, he's a "surviver" and would bootlick anyone in arms reach who can help him survive.
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u/gostupid67 Jul 23 '21
Well Micah is already gone before the gang becomes aware of the tip, and you can break him out in chapter 3 so i doubt he somehow could’ve gotten that information
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u/czairope Jul 23 '21
About breaking him out in ch3 I wonder if R* patched it or something, because on my 2nd playtrough last week the game wouldnt let me finish ch2 before breaking out Micah :/
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u/Stealthy_Facka Jul 27 '21
That's the opposite of what we want. They should patch it so you can just leave him there
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Jul 23 '21
they talk about the tip in the middle of a town, someone couldve heard and told strawberry cops whats up.
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u/The_quest_for_wisdom Jul 23 '21
More support for the Abigail Traitor theory!
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u/gostupid67 Jul 23 '21
What is the theory about? Abigail just being a rat?
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u/NewToSociety Jul 24 '21
The theory is that when she got arrested during the St Denis bank robbery she turned on Dutch to get released and continued to inform on the Van Der Linde gang until she killed Milton and Milton was lying about micah being a rat to keep the heat off of Abigail. So you know, three chapters after this heist. Feel free to downvote /u/The_quest_for_wisdom, they are wrong.
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u/titanlmao Jul 23 '21
Why are u being down voted lol
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u/The_quest_for_wisdom Jul 24 '21
Some people really don't like the Abigail Traitor theory, I guess?
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u/krellx6 Jul 24 '21
What’s the Abigail traitor theory?
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u/titanlmao Jul 24 '21
That Abigail was the snitch for the first chapters or so, and that's why so many robberies and shit like that went to hell, and then Micah became the snitch. I made a theory similar to that and many people acted like it was new sk they may be refencing to the theory I made, not sure
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u/ChonkTonk Jul 24 '21
Is there a post about this? I'd love to read more
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u/titanlmao Jul 24 '21
I can't think of one I've seen, I can give u mine interpretation
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
Micah can be out of camp for the entire duration of Pouring Forth Oil, but I think the canon order of events would have him freed from jail and back in camp before the train job. The only reason he can be in jail at this time is so that the player can choose what order to play missions in. This could be why it’s not confirmed that Micah was a traitor this early on but rather heavily hinted at.
As for who else it could have been as OP asked, I don’t think anyone. Everyone but Micah had the gang’s best interests at heart in chapter 2.
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u/mericano Jul 23 '21
I’m just on a play through in this section right now - Micah was away and camping near strawberry during our oil wagon train robbery. I have to imagine he was approached by pinkertons or cooperating during that time, as it coincided with when the pinkertons approached arthur and jack while fishing
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Jul 23 '21
It wouldn't have been the Pinkertons at this point, just local law enforcement (which I am still not so sure about).
The Pinkerton dude, (Milton) specifically says Micah didn't turn rat until after Guarma. Unless for some reason R* wanted to lie to us, there really wasn't a good reason for Milton to lie.
And personally, even though Micah was clearly thinking of betraying Dutch earlier, I don't think he was the one that tipped off the sheriff.
To be honest, it could have been the Pinkertons or Cornwall, are literally anyone else. It's not like the VdL gang is subtle in any way, you just robbed Cornwall a second time, you are about to rob a train the second time.
The tip off could have easily been Cornwall telling the Sheriff "hey, this very distinct multi-racial (tsk tsk) group of outlaws who robbed my train earlier just robbed an oil wagon and headed towards Dewberry creek. And you know, the weird thing is that there are no oil refineries in Dewberry Creek, so my smooth brain can figure out why they would want a wagon full of oil. My smooth brain thinks that perhaps they want to set the livery on fire?"
I mean, it wouldn’t take a genius to figure out that a group of train robbers who are definitely hanging out near valentine might be up to some train robbery when all of the sudden they rob an oil wagon and head to Dewberry Creek, which only has one notable feature (aside from it's general remoteness): train tracks.
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
That makes a lot of sense actually, especially since Micah had a wanted poster of Dutch at his camp outside Strawberry
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u/mericano Jul 23 '21
oh shit! i’m headed back to his camp today for a mission. i’ll check it out. good eye!
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
You might not see it the first time you go, but if you go back after playing the mission you’ll see the remnants of his camp. That he has a bounty poster of Dutch that he purposely didn’t bring back to camp is pretty telling IMO
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u/Mirions Jul 23 '21
If you take too long getting horses or something I think, someone else will do it too. I don't recall, still on my fist playthrough of Ch 2.
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
Yeah, if you don’t sort the wagon for John in time then he’ll do it instead, giving you a unique cutscene
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u/ferretatthecontrols Jul 23 '21
Yep. I did the train mission before the fishing mission too and Arthur still said Pinkertons found him near Horseshoe. The game still assumes things are done in a particular order without enforcement, at times.
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
I noticed that too, so I always do the fishing mission before Pouring Forth Oil. I think there is an order in which the missions are meant to be played, but there is freedom just for enjoyment’s sake. For instance in Chapter One, to me it just makes sense that Arthur would go out with Charles to find meat for the starving gang before going out to shoot O’Driscolls, but technically you can do it in any order. I think there are some missions later on that refer to missions that should come directly before, but I can’t put my finger on which.
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u/Salmonellq Jul 23 '21
There's no one Canon way for missions to be completed, that's why you can do half of them in any order you want
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u/viv322 Jul 23 '21
Yeah, I’m just theorising. If it was a book I feel that it would have been in that order
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u/Chef_Horse Jul 23 '21
Micah is out of jail before this mission, and you can also help him return to camp before this robbery but none of use usually do because why would we want Micah back at camp any time soon?
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
Then who could've done it?
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Jul 23 '21
Anybody
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u/The_quest_for_wisdom Jul 23 '21
There is also a reoccurring element of lawmen floating robbery targets as bait in the game. Uncle gets a bad tip, and so does Lenny.
It's possible that Mary Beth just got sold a line, with the idea that the law would just show up and arrest anyone dumb enough to try to rob the train.
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u/wetterfish Jul 23 '21
I think OP is talking about the very first one (Who the Hell is Leviticus Cornwall).
It's the last mission you start from Colter, and Micah didn't go to jail until they settled at Horseshoe Overlook. In fact, Micah was there for this robbery...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7iDo_bOLU
The train robbery Micah could have been in jail for (depending on the order you play the missions, I think), is the one you do with John, Charles, and Sean out between Emerald Ranch and Rhodes.
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u/Daripuff Jul 23 '21
The article OP posted talked about the train being stopped near the Lemoyne border, and was stopped using an oil barrel.
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u/wetterfish Jul 23 '21
Got it. OP mentioned the "first train robbery," which was the one between Colter and Horseshoe.
I didn't realize which event the article was referring to. Thanks for clearing it up!
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
I think it was the O'Driscoll score... Maybe the O'Driscolls were set up, and the gang got caught in it?
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u/skizwald Jul 23 '21
The O'Driscoll score from Colter was Cornwalls peronals train, there werent any regular passengers. The arcticle mentions the cops being tipped off, and they got away with the Cornwall train
This arcticle is from a different train robbery. In chapter 3 or 4, dont remember exactly. Pouring forth the Oil is the name. Where they rob a passenger train.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21 edited Jul 23 '21
You're right, it's from pouring forth oil... This means the O'Driscolls weren't necessarily set up, which leaves even more room for speculation
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u/MelkortheDankLord Jul 23 '21
Don’t think it was anyone in the gang honestly, the gang was just never as smart or as quiet with plans as they thought they were being
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Jul 23 '21
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u/Guytrappedincorn Jul 23 '21
Thats part of the theme of the story. That the gang doesn't know when to stop or lay low
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u/Jack_Attack_21 Jul 23 '21
To be fair, Hosea usually does but Dutch ignores him
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u/Guytrappedincorn Jul 23 '21
And yet people continue to follow, listen, and obey dutch due to his charm. Its even shown in arthur's journal that the gang had more than enough money to settle down before blackwater yet dutch stopped that.
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u/TheWildJuckson Jul 30 '21
Def this there was no snitch before Guarma especially not on the bank heist it was just a shit job that was bound to get busted like most of their other plots
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u/Kusanagi22 Jul 23 '21
I understand Micah is a really hated character but i don't get why people always attribute every bad thing that happens to the Gang to him, Milton is very explicit when he says how Micah only became a rat after Guarma and by that point he has no reason at all to lie especially since he has the upper hand in the situation, Micah is not the rat in this case
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u/MelodicSatisfaction9 Jul 23 '21
Because "Micah bad", that's why
Instead of the truth which is a complexity and whole sum of events and things that happened for the gang to eventually become broken up, the game heavily implied it was ONLY Micah.
The insistence on the fact there had to be a rat for chapter 6 made that reveal make people believe "oh, so it's all his fault".
People even blame Valentine on Micah. Valentine was a result of robbing Cornwall, something which Micah wasn't ever involved with in the decision making. But "Micah bad, Micah rat" means it has to be him
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Jul 27 '21
God this made me cringe reading it. I never thought I would see someone defend Micah.
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u/MelodicSatisfaction9 Jul 28 '21
Me: says Micah isn't as bad as Dutch
This guy: IF YOU DON'T SAY HE'S HUMAN TRASH AND WORSE THAN HITLER YOU'RE DEFENDING HIM
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Jul 28 '21
Lmao I did not say that. That’s not what you said either. You didn’t even fucking say the word “Dutch” in your entire comment. You didn’t say “Micah isn’t as bad as Dutch.” Wtf are you talking about lol. I also never said that if you don’t think he’s human trash then you’re defending him. Because I don’t know what exactly you think of Micah. It’s just that in your post you seemed to be defending Micah and don’t understand that he’s one of the main villains in the story. I think you’re overreacting a bit.
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u/MelodicSatisfaction9 Jul 28 '21
Point to the moment I defended him
I don't mean saying he isn't the main antagonist, I mean said he was good in any way
Point to it right now
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u/titanlmao Jul 23 '21
Bc, younger redditor, haven't u noticed this sub has a hate boner for Micah, to the point of just stretching shit to its max just to make Micah seem worse or a rat from the beginning, just look at a comment below me, which uses the gun tip, which is pink, to somehow make it seem like it means something. And then they ignore a lot of stuff about Micahs character, and ignore anyone else being bad as a possibly bc remember, Micah bad
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Jul 27 '21
Please tell me this is supposed to be satire... I never thought I would ever see someone defend Micah. It seems like you are the one that is ignoring a lot of stuff about the character. Next you’re gonna say that you relate to him LMAO.
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u/titanlmao Jul 27 '21
How did I defend him? I'm just saying that this sub absolutely hates Micah to the point of blaming him for every single bad thing that happens to the gang despite it obviously not being him. And seeing ur other comment to a guy on this thread, ur obviously one of those guys who see "Micah bad. Everyone else good"
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Jul 27 '21
How are you NOT defending him? Also, I do not think “Micah bad. Everyone else good.” I don’t know why you’re assuming that. Also I think you’re missing the point of the story and characters.
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u/titanlmao Jul 28 '21
I'm not defending him? If stating something obvious which is that Micah is not responsible for every bad thing in the story then sure. And I'm assuming that bc in two different replies that state that there's no way in hell Micah snithced, u think that it must be satire bc apparently its defending Micah and not stating that a theory is not possible due to multiple things. And idk how u got that from my reply lol, just bc in stating that this is a dumb theory that is only based of "oh Micah do bad later in story which means Micah do bad earlier in story "
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u/mtn-snake Jul 23 '21
I'm at this spot in the game right now. Micah was in jail before I took this mission and I still haven't gotten him out. He is still rotting his sorry ass in Strawberry and will stay there until I can't continue anymore. I don't know if the story was written this way but in my case he couldn't know about it and won't be a part of the robbery.
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u/coffee-please Xbox One Jul 25 '21
Just a heads-up: as someone pointed out to me in another post, you can do the "rescue Micah from jail" mission so that you get the offhand holster; then if you're don't want his sorry ass at Horseshoe Overlook, just avoid going to visit him at his sad little campsite outside Strawberry.
Rescuing him but then delaying paying him a visit at his hiding place gets you the offhand holster and keeps him out of camp for a bit longer at least.
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u/Bonzungo Jul 25 '21
You can also get the offhand holster by completing one of the hunter challenges, one of the first ones, that involves killing and skinning 3 deer.
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u/coffee-please Xbox One Jul 25 '21
I forgot about that, yes. But to be clear, you can only use the offhand holster (i.e, use 2 handguns at the same time, the 'dual wield' game mechanic) after completing the rescue of Micah from Strawberry, "Blessed Are The Meek".
At least that's the way it's laid out in the wiki:
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u/Bonzungo Jul 25 '21
True, but you can buy a double action revolver, or use the free one, with a cattleman revolver as well.
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Jul 23 '21
Yes absolutely. If Micah wasn't turned before he was from that point on he was jailed in Strawberry.
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u/ferretatthecontrols Jul 23 '21
I suspect cut content. But it's one of the few times I'm glad they cut something. I like that in the early chapters, although Michah is clearly evil, we don't actually know if there is a rat, or if the world is closing in on the gang.
Uts a subject frequently touched upon in the game. Arthur in particular believes the issue is "folk don't want us anymore", when in reality they never did. It isn't until the end that Arthur realizes his actions.
So it is possible that's why it's so ambiguous. The gang thinks there HAS to be a rat because there's no way that the people they're terrorizhave turned against them. Personally, I don't think Michah was a rat from the get go, not in the story we have now. More than anything, Michah is a survivor. He does whatever it takes to survive, even at the expense if others. For most of the game he even helps the gangs out of scrapes, because he still needs them. I think he wanted to take Arthur's place initially.
Chapter 3 is my favorite because when everything falls apart, it isn't because of some mysterious antagonist, it's because of Dutch and Hosea trying to play both sides of some wealthy Hatfield's and McCoy's. "Robbing them both" was when Dutch first became obsessed with revenge, and it blew up in his face. The Pinkertons found them in Clemens Cove for the same reason as Horseshoe, they made too much noise. The Van der Linde gang had a modus operandi of targeting the wealthy and being loud and proud about it, plus as a gang they stick out.
TLDR: though Michah may have been the rat from day one, there seems to be cut content regarding it. Most of the gang's issues in the early chapters can just be attributed to the end of the wild west and encroaching lawful civilization.
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u/TheNastyNug Jul 23 '21
After finding out that Micah was the only person in the camp who had saved Dutch rather than being saved by Dutch I was as sold on the idea he was a rat from the start. Aside from finding Dutch’s wanted poster near michas camp there isn’t much evidence for it though. I also think he left John to die on the mountains unbeknownst to John in the beginning of the game.
I think he was confronted by pinkerstons and given a deal. He joined the group and would go on about he’s a winner and survivor and probably thought the Pinkerton might leave him alone as the last outlaw in the west. While also getting as much of the groups money as possible
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u/LocknDamn Jul 23 '21
One side of the grip on Micah’s gun is pink
Only camp interaction is to play 5 finger filet and cut yourself while he watches
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u/mericano Jul 23 '21
what’s the significance of the pink grip?
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u/LocknDamn Jul 23 '21
Who investigates the gang?
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u/mericano Jul 23 '21
ahhh PINKertons, i see.
the cutscene you’re talking about - do you remember what camp you can achieve it at? currently at lemoyne/rhodes camp but micah is still out in strawberry. i imagine he comes back to that one??
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u/Jason_Yun Jul 23 '21
I saw a comment on another post that suggested it might've been the stable workers at the Emerald Ranch stable, which was near the oil wagon. Sean was also practicing his shooting in that spot, which could've attracted their attention.
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u/imtoolazytothinkof1 Jul 23 '21
Honestly if Colm thinks Dutch robbed him I could see Colm passing it onto a deputy or sheriff at a bar as just some random drunk.
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u/0reo_Biscuit Jul 23 '21
It's been well established from the beginning, Michah is a snake & has always been the traitor. Why do you think the Pinkertons & other police officals, find them so easily? Michah is their bitch!!
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u/OffTheMerchandise Jul 24 '21
They get found so easily because part of their m.o is making noise. I made a detailed post breaking down the events where there didn't need to be a rat before Micah got picked up after Guarma. Even Arthur says that there didn't need to be a rat.
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u/WastelandCharlie Jul 23 '21
Anyone else tired of the legions of "Micah was a traitor ever since X" and "X character was actually/also a traitor" posts
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
Is it possible that there is a Telegraph machine on the Trains, that someone managed to signal for help whilst the gang robbed passengers?
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u/derthert123 Jul 23 '21
Kinda make sense because you automatically get wanted if you rob a train on open world
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
That's what I was thinking, it's why I decided to look into it and Telegraph Lines ran Parallel to Railway Lines in the United States so its possible to get out and connect to the line and warn people. The gang was sloppy throughout the game, they kept robbing Cornwall and surely he was determined to put a stop to them. The first Robbery would have perhaps annoyed Leviticus Cornwall but stealing his oil to Rob another train, that's going to set him off. No wonder he kept after the gang.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
That's simply a game mechanic...
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
I'm pretty sure Telegraph requires wire...
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
Well doing a bit of research, Telegraph wires ran Parallel to Railway Lines in the United States when the Transcontinental Railroad was linked. So it sounds plausible.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
There's one more hole in your theory The article says the law were "Tipped off" If someone sent a signal, they would be "reporting" the robbery, not informing the law beforehand.
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
Tipped off can also be used to describe Warning someone, it can still be used during the situation because you're still essentially tipping off The Pinkertons as it's happening. The train is far from Rhodes when the gang robs it so theoretically you would have security on standby for train journeys, it's not that hard to catch up with the stopped train if you have a fast horse or two.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
You mentioned 'telegraph wires' Only the wires are not enough to make a transmission... You require a machine, and there clearly wasn't one on board
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
Sorry that's what I meant, Telegraph machine would be on the Trains and there would be a box on the side of the train where you would grab the wire from and then connect it up to a Junction box at a Telegraph Poll then get back to the train and send for help.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
Now THAT'S plausible...
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
I only thought that this was plausible after remembering that there's a point along the Annesburg line where you can enter a Tunnel and its easy to Rob a train from there without getting caught in Story. Playing Red Dead Online I've noticed a lack of Telegraph wires near the tunnel but there's some next to Rhodes line if I remember correctly. That's what made me check history to see how they combated the problem besides guards on trains.
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u/Wolf290703 PS4 Jul 23 '21 edited Jul 23 '21
I'm don't think that's how telegrams work
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u/theworldbystorm Jul 23 '21
Actually it is. In 1881 Edison patented a system he called "grasshopper telegraphy" that used electrostatic induction to "jump" between a train and telegraph wires.
In practice it wasn't widely adopted because it seems like customers didn't really use on board telegraphs on trains.
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u/SyphiliticPlatypus Jul 23 '21
Fascinating. Did they just parent the idea or did they actually have a working radiotelegraphy system? Marconi apparently did around the late 1890s so either way, the technique seemed possible at the time of this game.
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u/theworldbystorm Jul 23 '21
Yeah there were multiple people working towards the goal of wireless telegraphy. Trains did have working systems, and they were even used to send distress signals during the blizzard of '88, but they just weren't economically viable in the long run.
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u/STerrier666 Jul 23 '21
It wouldn't be hard to connect to the Wires to send a Telegram if a Railway employee knew how to connect to a junction box at one of the Telegraph Lines and send a message. If you can slip out unnoticed and connect to the Junction box get back to the train then send a message to warn Pinkertons.
In America Telegraph wires ran Parallel to Railway Lines, if there's Telegraph Wires next to the track then it is plausible. The gang was sloppy, Railway workers would have figured out ways for travelling to be more secure when it comes to transporting Money, Mail, People.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Railroad_Telegraphers
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u/Salmonellq Jul 23 '21
The way people in real life have cleverly alerted cops to robberies, kidnappers and brought attention to enemy Intel during wars, there's always room for a western engineer with half a brain left. Head Canon for me now
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u/J_rd_nn Jul 23 '21
I don't think they were setup, but I think there was a patrol at Flatneck Station to make sure they're safe. There is wayyy too much money and rich people on the train to take the chance of robbery (or possibly death). I think the train didn't show up on time, so the patrol decided to take a look. The distance between the robbery and Flatneck Station can be explained by everything in the game seeming 20% faster than it would be in real life.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
But that still doesn't explain how the law were "Tipped off"
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u/J_rd_nn Jul 23 '21
Maybe something with the O'driscolls, or because Arthur stole the oil wagon, I dunno.
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u/ExploringWoodsman Jul 23 '21
Or because the robbery was discussed first in the middle of the day in Valentine
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u/MelodicSatisfaction9 Jul 23 '21
Game: makes it clear there's a complex set of circumstances and events that made it so the gang ended
Everyone: DUH IT WAS MICAH BECAUSE I HATE HIM HES BAD
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u/Noamias Jul 23 '21
I think it’s like Arthur said. “We don’t need a rat! We got sloppier than the town drunk.”
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Aug 09 '21
Makes sense he sneaks off to snitch from the beginning. The Lenny mission "A Quiet Time" Lenny talks early on about Micah acting strange and saying he had "business to attend to"
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u/Serious-Trip5239 Jul 23 '21
I finished the game before I joined Reddit. My initial thoughts were that Micah was playing all sides to his advantage, it was as if every mission he was involved in was a trap. But also Molly had been acting up since chapter 2, so to me it could have been either one of them who was helping the Pinkertons keep tabs on the gang.
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u/generalzee Jul 23 '21
I don't think it was Micah. I think it was John. That bastard somehow keeps getting caught by the government and let go again. The one time he does get put in prison they put him on an outside work detail with minimum guards like they wanted him to go back to the gang and keep snitching. Plus, we know how his story turns out, and he betrays the gang and hunts them all down for the government, so this is totally in-character for him.
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
I disagree.... He wouldn't have put the gang in harm's way... Not at the point in time..
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u/DangerClose50 Jul 23 '21
He only works for the government because they were holding his family hostage. And that was long after the gang had dissolved and left him for dead.
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u/Narwhale_NateDaw Jul 23 '21
It might have been Bill, he was never the most kind and thoughtful member
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u/PULVERIZER_V1 Jul 23 '21
Pardon me, but you're wrong There's dialogue in ch 6 where he confronts Arthur for calling Dutch "crazy" He's a blind follower of Dutch
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u/JhonnyB694 Jul 23 '21
Didn't they recover the plans for the train robbery from the O'Driscolls camp during "Old Friends"? (Plans that were found by Micah, btw.)
I think that is more likely that the O'Driscolls tipped the law, after the gang stole their job. Micah is a rat before guarma, I think, but he's not omniscient.
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u/Russellblazer Jul 23 '21
The exact reason that I did missions in the order they pop up on the map on my most recent playthrough was so I can get the most canon story possible, i played most of the stranger missions that involve honor towards chapter 4 and chapter 6, and just did story missions as they became available.
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Jul 23 '21
I think Micah was a rat at least right before the Saint Denis Bank job, as he wears a bright white vest during the heist, leaves without a single scratch on his body, and the Pinkertons were there simply too fast not to be tipped off. However, this is probably just an instance when someone either heard the gang talking about it in public or Sean attracted attention trying to shoot bottles at the beginning
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u/Wallek_ Jul 24 '21
I think it is possible that the Pinkertons didn’t want to admit how much Micah tipped them off.
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u/VegasBonheur Jul 24 '21
I still think the gang was just getting caught fair and square up until they came back from Guarma. Micah only started ratting to save his ass when the walls were closing in. He was offered a deal, and he took it out of self preservation. Don't give the little rat bastard so much credit.
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Jul 24 '21
I think Micah was flipped in jail with some kind of plea deal for his life, or something along those lines. It explains why he became such a rat after that and why he isolated himself, to process his dilemma. I think Micah was genuinely interested in being with the gang but then got power hungry and tried moving in on Arthur’s position as one of Dutch’s right hand man. But that’s just my theory.
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u/mtn-snake Jul 25 '21
Thanks. But I already have a offhand holster from getting the trapper to make it.
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u/EscapeAromatic8648 Jul 25 '21
I swear it's Sean. If he got caught after blackwater why the fuck would the Pinkertons not already have him? He was with bounty hunters because that's the only way they could "return" him to the gang.
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u/Deluxe_24_ Jul 28 '21
My guess is either a) the people of Rhodes got suspicious as to why the train hadn't made it to the station yet or b) someone saw the train getting robbed and alerted the law. I think Rockstar put this in as a red herring that John was the rat, which doesn't work for people who played RDR1, but on new players it might work on them.
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u/Hoshiimaru Aug 09 '21
I like to think that this is a remnant of the old story where there was a Pinkerton spy from the start
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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '21
Considering Arthur, Mary-Beth, and Uncle discuss the robbery in broad daylight in front of the general store, I think it's possible that they were overheard by someone in town who tipped off the law.
While I don't think it's unreasonable that Micah could have tipped them off, I also think there's a good chance someone in town overheard them, or were simply suspicious of Arthur and maybe tipped the law off about him and the gang. The locals are aware there are outlaws nearby, and Arthur isn't exactly inconspicuous.