r/reddeadmysteries • u/let_itburn420 • Mar 17 '20
Theory Like the Murfree Broods and Butcher Creek Folks?
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u/madvlad507 Mar 17 '20
I’ve heard the story of sawney bean but as far as I know that’s just what it is,a story
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u/sfwjaxdaws Mar 17 '20
Came here to say this. Folklore puts the number of missing persons over 30 years upwards of a thousand, but there is absolutely no historical record that supports that any of it was true.
In fact, the first published mention of Sawney Bean anywhere was in an English circular. It’s also pretty important to note that Sawney was at the time a relatively common slang term for a Scot, which leads in all likelihood toooo.. the story is propaganda.
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Mar 17 '20
Yeah it’s likely anti Scott propaganda from the time.
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u/madvlad507 Mar 17 '20
I mean it could be true but to my knowledge there’s no official documentation,my guess is a story to scary the bairns
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u/houlmyhead Mar 17 '20
Nah I'm pretty sure theres good evidence the whole thing was blown out of proportion to make the Scots seem like savages to the English populace at the time. I mind reading about it a while back.
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u/madvlad507 Mar 17 '20
My English cousins still think am a savage
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u/houlmyhead Mar 17 '20
Aw I'm Irish so I can empathise
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u/madvlad507 Mar 17 '20
To be fair my mother thought the same,she never called me a savage,not to my face anyway.unrefined was her word
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
But wasn't it other Scots that took them down in the story?
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u/houlmyhead Mar 17 '20
What does that change?
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
It seems to me to be pretty weak anti-Scot propaganda if the Scots at large in the story are no less horrified at the Beans than the reader/hearer of the story would be. Makes it seem more like a human problem than a Scottish problem—makes it seem like it could happen in any country with enough population and unsettled frontier
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u/houlmyhead Mar 17 '20
Read about what was happening around Briton/Scotland at the time the story "broke" and come back to me.
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
I'm fully aware. But it's still rather weak propaganda, if propaganda is all it's meant to be
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u/benchcoat Mar 17 '20
Except for the youngest one.
The Scottish government deemed it inhumane to execute the youngest of the family, a three year old boy. It was never conclusive whether the boy had engaged in cannibalistic behavior, as the family tradition was to nurse children beyond the typical weening age. He was placed by the state in an orphanage, and eventually grew up to be a productive member of society, serving many years in the army, where he amassed a large body count. He remained an enlisted man his entire career, dogged by rumors of a cruel and bloodthirsty nature, likely due to the horrendous acts of his family. Even so, he sired a son, who sired a son, reestablishing the family line of Clan Bean. His grandson, current patriarch of the clan, bears his name: Sean Bean.
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u/leahsj0kvist Mar 17 '20
I’m so stupid, I actually searched Sean Bean up and was like “wow he really looks like the actor in got”
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Mar 17 '20 edited Mar 23 '20
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u/BlasterONassis Mar 17 '20
Yeah I was expecting Mankind at the end.
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u/YankeeDoodleJones Mar 17 '20
Yeah, let's not let this distract us from the fact that in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind off the Hell in the Cell, plummeting 16 feet through the Spanish announcer's table
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u/barryhakker Mar 17 '20
This was back in the 16th century. I don't think governments did an awful lot of "being humane" back then. From Wikipedia:
One fateful night, the Bean clan ambushed a married couple riding from a fayre on one horse, but the man was skilled in combat, thus he deftly held off the clan with sword and pistol. The Bean clan fatally mauled the wife when she fell to the ground in the conflict. Before they could take the resilient husband, a large group of fayre-goers appeared on the trail and the Beans fled. The fayre-goers took the survivor to the local magistrate who was informed of this experience.
With the Beans' existence finally revealed, it was not long before the King (likely James VI of Scotland in tales linked to the 16th century, though other tales are from the 15th) heard of the atrocities and decided to lead a manhunt with a team of 400 men and several bloodhounds. They soon found the Bean clan's previously overlooked cave in Bennane Head thanks to the bloodhounds. Upon entering the cave by torchlight, the searchers found the Bean clan surrounded by human remains with some body parts hanging from the wall, barrels filled with limbs, and piles of stolen heirlooms and jewellery.
There were two versions on what happened next:
1) The most common of the two is that the Bean clan was captured alive where they gave up without a fight. They were taken in chains to the Tolbooth Jail in Edinburgh, then transferred to Leith or Glasgow, where they were promptly executed without trial as they were seen as subhuman and unfit for one. Sawney and his fellow men had their genitalia cut off and thrown into the fires, their hands and feet severed, and were allowed to bleed to death, with Sawney shouting his dying words: "It isn't over, it will never be over." After watching the men die, Agnes, her fellow women, and the children were burned alive on the stakes from which they were tied to. This recalls, in essence if not in detail, the punishments of hanging, drawing and quartering decreed for men convicted of treason, while women convicted of the same were burned.
2) There was another claim that gunpowder was placed at the entrance of their cave where they faced the fate of suffocation.
The town of Girvan, located near the macabre scene of murder and debauchery, has another legend about the Bean clan. It is said that one of Bean's daughters eventually left the clan and settled in Girvan where she planted a Dule tree that became known as "The Hairy Tree." After her family's capture and exposure, the daughter's identity was revealed by angry locals who hanged her from the bough of the Hairy Tree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawney_Bean
Kids and women being burned alive at the stake. Those are the kind of harsh medieval European solutions we have grown to love.
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u/Gustavus_Adolfus Mar 17 '20
Wow the second option sounds exactly like that Red Dead Redemption 2 mission where u clear an inbred brood out of a cave.
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u/hossierdaddy77 Mar 17 '20
And due to his family history, he is cursed to die in every movie/show he’s in until the end of his days.
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u/let_itburn420 Mar 17 '20
Damn that’s really interesting
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u/smoothjuicer Mar 17 '20
I was too scared to watch The Hills Have Eyes when it first came out. Now that I’m older and have bigger balls, is it a movie worth watching?
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u/SitelessVagrant Mar 17 '20
Only if you want 'em to shrivel.
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u/YE_SPILLED_ME_TEA Mar 17 '20
Wait, so I can cum to it?
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u/doodoojones Aug 25 '20
You can cum to anything if you really believe. Just lay back and let it be milked
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
The original one from 1977 is kind of a classic, but both it and the newer one (and the newer one's sequel, probably) are mostly just gore porn. If you want to see one, see the Wes Craven 77 version
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u/Scojo_Mojojo Mar 17 '20
It’s not scary it just fetishizes brutality. I saw it in theaters as an older teen who skated and smoked pot, say that to express that I’m not an up tight person and def wasn’t then. There is a rape scene somewhere around half or 2/3 through the movie if I’m remembering correctly and I literally walked out the theatre till the next scene. I don’t know why movies feel the need to show everything. Sometimes the cut away when done right is just as powerful if not more without staining my fucking psyche with that garbage
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u/IwanttobeMercy Mar 17 '20
Its just gross horror porn, nothing too special
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u/timbeim7 Mar 17 '20
You should definetly watch it. One of the best slasher movies of all time and a good story on top.
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u/in-utero89 Mar 17 '20
That’s what they’re based on
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u/Bodmonriddlz Mar 17 '20
Wow what makes you say that tough guy
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
So do you add "tough guy" to so many of your comments just to encourage people to downvote them, or what?
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u/in-utero89 Mar 18 '20
Murderous cannibals that look like they’re inbred that doesn’t just happen, at least not where I live
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u/paradeoxy1 Mar 17 '20
Also the 'Bloody Benders' of Kansas, often considered the USAs first serial killers
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u/floodums Mar 17 '20
The people that killed travelers at their inn? I heard about them on an episode of Lore
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u/1_Gunslinger Mar 17 '20
This right here! The Hell Benders. These folks were the original Old West Bate's Hotel owners! Of course is wasn't much of a hotel...it was actually a sod building with only blankets strung from the roof to give the boarders privacy. Little did most of their customers know that they'd later be getting axed or knifed or bludgeoned from behind those blankets. I have a historical book with a black and white picture of them standing in front of their boarding house. Boy were they a creepy looking bunch!
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u/RevTheButcher_RDR Mar 17 '20
I thought the Harpe Brothers was the first US serial killers? They were highway men, river pirates, so on and so forth
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u/deanfortythree Mar 17 '20
There is an excellent essay about this in the book Finding Serenity, about Firefly. But basically, it is largely exaggerated at best or they never existed at all. But definitely the source material for the Murphees and the like.
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u/Boiled_Ham Mar 17 '20
There is a modernised version film, to a point, of the family. This it's Sawney : Flesh of Man.
I was okay but a bit daft. Reasonable horror film if you like such fair...a 5 out of ten or thereabouts.
I've been to the 'legendary' cave...it's near Kilmarnock here in Scotland to the south of said town on the west coast.
A definately true and similar story is the one of Christie - Cleek. A Perthshire butcher who, during a Scottish and UK famine, took to highway robbery and murder, eventually eating victims along with his counterparts he worked with in crime. This is an old, old story in Scotland and looks to be documented and truthful through history where as Sawney Bean looks to have been built up immensely since then1800s.
I've no idea why, but the Sawney Bean story has never had an adaptation in film yet as it could potentially be a great horror. Maybe a ten-part Netflicks series would do it justice if they went no holds barred.
The story I remember for the Bean clan was a young couple fell foul of the clan but the man was a skilled fighter and saw the killers off by pure skill with his sword and musket. I think his woman was supposed to have been mauled in the attack. After this the local magistrate was involved and it's said King James the Sixth got wind and insisted on a manhunt using several hundred men reulting in the capture and multiple hanging of the Bean gang.
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u/Vincentaneous Mar 17 '20
That picture makes me think of that episode of the Twilight Zone where this person is on the moon or planet or something and has to wait for the team to return to pick em up.
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u/MIke6022 Mar 17 '20
It’s also based off of nuclear testing done in the Mojave. Tests done their had fallout that radiated entire generations of people. Leading to downwinders syndrome.
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u/freshcookiesgood Mar 17 '20
Ok I'm sorry who beat them in the sword fight I gotta know that badasses name
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u/JumpinJackClash Mar 17 '20
I thought the people at Butcher Creek were just fucked up from the chemicals in the water? Do they cannibalize people?
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u/Zazulio Mar 17 '20
The Sawney Bean clan are horror story gold, but also likely fictitious from what I have heard and read. I guess there has never been any official documentation or evidence that they ever actually existed, and that all direct accounts of their supposed existence have come from the equivalent of British tabloids and propaganda rags (who had pretty vested interests in depicting the Scots as monstrous and uncivilized barbarians in desperate need of some good old British subjugation).
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u/LoneGunner1898 Xbox One Mar 17 '20
The american appetites mission in RDR1 was totally a Hills Have Eyes reference/easter egg. Though when it comes to RDR2, I think the similarities to in game gangs are purely coincidental. I've finally watched both the original and the remake, and the gangs in game dont really seem enough like the Mutants to be considered a reference.
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u/forgingwynton Mar 17 '20
Imagine how this feels reading this when your last name is Bean, and your ancestors come from Scotland... hopefully my ancestors were just distant cousins from this clan of Beans
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u/xxRowdyxx Mar 17 '20
From Scotland and well aware of Sawney Bean and his clan, used to be a pub named after him, never really crossed my mind butchers could be based on them, there is a lot of Scottish stuff in GTA and RDR
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Mar 18 '20
Imagine being the king who administered that execution order.
“Your highness, what shall we do with them.”
“What the fuck do you think?”
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u/Not_Plebis Mar 17 '20
I saw that shit at night with my cousin and my mom when I was 14. It was a, “unpleasant” experience
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u/Coolbreeze2211 Mar 17 '20
I always enjoy killing both of those and setting their corpses on fire. Good times!
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u/houlmyhead Mar 17 '20
I made a post about the Sawney Bean clan on here a good while back. Glad someone else saw the connection.
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u/loneblustranger PS4 Mar 17 '20
Like the Murfree Broods
By the way, brood as a noun is already plural. There's no "s".
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u/trianglesquarexo Mar 17 '20
hmmmm. :::rapidly googling Bean Clan:::: this is some awesome lore!! 🤩🤩🤩
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u/Cheddarsamurai05 Mar 19 '20
The men we're executed by chopping their limbs off, the women were forced to watch before they we're burned at the stake.
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u/Blackwater256 Xbox One Mar 22 '20
No wonder they kept killing people, they were called The Bean Clan.
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u/xx_minecrafpro_xxX Apr 10 '20
I heard another story about this
The soldiers went in and killed everyone alive (women, children, their pets which I think were dogs). They found piles and piles of skeletons after examining further into the cave which seems kind of erie to me
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u/BrightGrimm Jul 10 '20
Butcher creek people are actually pretty nice. Just a bit weary of outsiders. Now the murfrees, I massacre those bastards for nothing but enjoyment and feel no remorse
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u/AlienStories Mar 17 '20
Butcher creek folks didnt do anything evil
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u/let_itburn420 Mar 17 '20
I can’t remember who, but someone on this site did a synapse of butcher creek and found human skulls underneath one of the houses and the Murphy Brood don’t mess with them at all.
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u/AlienStories Mar 17 '20
Hmm it could just be a specific citizen
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u/chompythebeast Mar 17 '20
There are mountains of bones, huge piles of skulls. The size of the operation is too great to be one man's secret from the rest of the small village. Plus the pentagram shows up under a different home. Plus they talk about weird curses and stuff. Plus they suck and try to kill me all the time for no good reason
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '20
Imagine hunting and murdering people just to be called ‘The Bean Clan’.