r/reddeadmysteries • u/xTHEHATETANKx • Jan 21 '20
Theory The possible meaning of the Roman numeral XIII on the Reutlinger Watch.
Howdy folks!
For those that don’t know, the the Reutlinger Watch is a collectible watch that is awarded to you in the mission: A Fine Night of Debauchery. On the face of the watch, the Roman numeral VIII (8) is replaced by the Roman numeral XIII (13)...and it is quite the controversial subject around these parts, I reckon.
For some unknown reason, there are a lot of people that believe that this is a mistake made by the devs. There is zero evidence to support this claim. Given the attention to detail on the watch, the attention to detail in the game, and because it is part of a story mission, I think it’s very unlikely for it to be there by mistake.
Ironically, someone who who thought it was a mistake, gave me this possible answer. While writing this up, I offered to give him full credit for this, but he declined.
I think it could possibly be referencing the Fibonacci Number/ Sequence
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 etc.
This sequence ties directly into the Golden Ratiobecause if you take any two successive Fibonacci numbers, their ratio is very close to the Golden ratio. As the numbers get higher, the ratio becomes even closer to 1.618. For example, the ratio of 3 to 5 is 1.666. ... Getting even higher, the ratio of 144 to 233 is 1.618...1.618 is called phi . Coincidentally, 13 is followed by 21 in the Fibonacci Sequence. Phi just happens to be the 21st letter of the Greek alphabet.
That is the possible meaning of it, but I still don’t know it’s purpose. It’s either a cool little thing put on the watch to make it unique, or it is some sort of a clue that can be used somewhere. Someone that’s far better at math than I, can see if it fits in with anything.
Btw...Did you know that the Reutlinger watch is in GTAO? It’s just called the rare pocket watch, and it’s worth $150,000!!!
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u/Claggart Jan 21 '20
Hm, I don’t know about the Finonacci sequence playing a role; while 13 does follow 8, there aren’t any other substitutions or patterns on the watch, so it seems random that they would make one little reference to the sequence without committing the rest of the watch to it in some capacity. Both 8 and 13 have a lot of special properties in number theory (8 is the smallest number that is neither prime nor semi-prime, 13 is the smallest emirp number and one of only 3 known Wilson primes, etc) but that starts getting esoteric fast...
Though it’s possible this is one part of a larger clue; e.g. throughout the game world there may be a series of numeric substitutions that form a cipher and this is just one of them.
Interesting that 13 is five hours off from 8; in the other thread did you not discover that the sundial on the Rhodes bank is five hours offset from real game time? Perhaps there is a connection there?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Yeah man, you are possibly correct about it not relating to Fibonacci, but I believe it’s still a possibility that it is.
Maybe, it’s not trying to tell us that Fibonacci is the answer. Maybe it’s but a tool to find what the answer is. Could it be trying to point us to the number 21, or to phi? I cannot claim to know. I’d like to think it’s a clue to something, but there’s no way I can say that it is. I’ll probably leave that for those who are more adept at that sort of thing.
I’m totally for other explanations being presented. Honestly, I’m just happy that we are talking about it.
As far as the Rhodes Bank Sundial goes, it was 5 hours off when I looked at it...but that was just a brief observation. I think I’ll have some time this evening to do a more thorough investigation of it. I’ll let you know what I find out.
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u/SiriusSon Jan 22 '20
Dude that was a good catch though. I'm not 100% sure on it either but it being somehow related to the fibonacci sequence is pretty cool and interesting. I know the fibonacci sequence is seen all over the world in many different things so maybe this is rdr way of including its existence in their world. Good Ole Rockstar playing games with our heads now.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 23 '20
Thanks, I’ve been trying to figure this damn watch out for the past year. Hopefully something will come of it. If not, it’s back to the drawing board.
I think it also being tied in with the golden ratio, could mean something. Maybe that’s what it is showing us. I have no clue as to what or where it can be used, or wether it can be used at all, but at least there’s a glimmer of hope.
People don’t give R* enough credit. They have some stuff that’s absolutely brilliant.
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 21 '20
I think it’s a bible reference. It would keep with the time period, religion was big then. But there is also a Bible quote that deals time and the numbers 13 and 8: Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever”
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Nice. The Fibonacci sequence is just a possible answer. As long as it’s backed up with some evidence, I’m all for there being other possible explanations.
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u/psycoregum Jan 22 '20
I think this theory is quite possibly my favorite, idk just makes sense to me
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u/MrAndrewJackson Aug 02 '24
There are multiple 13:8 bible verses, not just Hebrews, just like there are multiple 8:13 verses. Might find something out in the next game with this easter egg is my guess
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Jan 22 '20
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 22 '20
Religion wouldn’t be so bad if religious people would just stop ruining it.
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Jan 22 '20
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 22 '20 edited Jan 22 '20
Yeah, I agree on that but it’s religious people that carry that out. If you look at the gospels and stuff, the stuff religious people don’t usually pay attention to, there are some fantastically weird and entertaining stories and the message isn’t bad. The actual religious texts shit on many of the actions carried out by the church. It’s just the people carrying it out subverted it for their own personal gain. They were the ones that said “I know we aren’t supposed to be evil to people, but only Christians of our sect count as people.” Also, no other world religion has even close to the amount of blood on its hands that Christianity does, between countless crusades and genocides, inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. Most religions haven’t engaged in that behavior to that extent.
Religion isn’t nearly as bad as the institutions of religion. Someone believing in being a good person isn’t bad, but an institution saying we can subjugate and murder anyone that doesn’t believe what we believe is absolutely evil.
I’ve been an atheist my whole life but I can say that what Jesus said was good advice, it’s just too bad that the church didn’t listen to it.
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Jan 22 '20
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 22 '20 edited Jan 22 '20
Historically the Islamic world successfully sought diplomatic ties with as many groups as possible, everyone from China to the Vikings to Africa were allies of the Islamic world, whereas traditionally Christians waged war on any group that wasn’t Christian. Also, much of the violence in the Islamic world was defense against the ongoing Crusades from Christian Europe. Even the Jewish people and the Islamic people were close allies for most of history, defending their homes together from Christian invaders (it’s only rather recently when they became enemies). Historically Islam was much more peaceful than Christianity but it doesn’t seem that way now because we live in a time where Christian violence is at an all time low and Moslem violence is at a high, but what we see now isn’t how most of history has been. Also, don’t forget things such as the Dark Ages, where heretical (non-church) related though was punishable by death. During that time the Islamic world preserved the texts of Ancient Greece and Rome and had a whole renaissance, they preserved a lot of the knowledge of Rome that was completely lost in a Europe. Islam had a golden age, something that generally corresponds to a reduction in violence. If it weren’t for that golden age the works of Socrates, Plato, all the ancients, would have been completely lost to us.
Now none of this isn’t to say that there wasn’t violence in the Islamic world, but the idea of killing all non-Muslim people is a very new thing in Islam and it’s very possibly a reaction to the historical Christian threat. Christianity started under the existential threat of the Roman Empire, under the threat of constantly being destroyed, so it adopted a sort of ‘shoot first ask questions later’ attitude. Now we are seeing the same thing with extremists in the Islamic world, they feel attacked on all sides and are lashing out by trying to destroy anything they perceive as a threat. Historically though, and even currently, mainstream Islam is a religion of peace that has been subverted by people in power to their own ends. Just like Jesus preached peace but the church carried out war for the benefit of the church (not the benefit of Christianity as a whole, Christians also have a long history of attacking other Christians too for not being Christian enough or Christian correctly etc., ultimately it’s all to grow the power of the church)
As far as Judaism, they definitely have the least amount of violence, having been on the losing end of most of history.
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u/chompythebeast Jan 21 '20
Btw...Did you know that the Reutlinger watch is in GTAO? It’s just called the rare pocket watch, and it’s worth $150,000!!!
150... Wow, has anyone ever gotten it? How do we know it exists? Data mining? That's a king's damn ransom, that is!
Personally I subscribe to the theory that Rockstar puts lots of interesting tweaks like this in their games just to make the world seem deeper—the vast majority of the time, there is no further discovery to be made, but the very fact that you believed there was one was the entire point of the flourish by the devs. I don't think that's being cheap or misleading, I think it's the same thing as a throwaway line in a fantasy novel that has you going "Wait... What?? I wanna see that!", when that reaction was the entire goal of the author, nothing more. Call it "world building", maybe, but if you were being less generous, you could say that Rockstar deliberately fills its games with red herrings and Chekhov's guns that never fire.
This one is pretty egregious, of course—how could anyone not be intrigued by a clock replacing one of its numbers with the spicy triskaideka? Why 8 and not 12, or any other number? I am skeptical that there is anything in the game that you can do with this mystery, but it's fun to contemplate, and again, I think that's usually the extent of Rockstar's goal with these sort of things.
But seriously, what's the story with that insanely priced watch Online? Is is obtainable? Are there other wildly priced artifacts like that?
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Jan 22 '20
It‘s kind if funny because 150k is exactly the amount of money the gang stole in Blackwater ... to think they had a watch in their possession that would eventually be worth that exact amount and they had no idea about that ...
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
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u/chompythebeast Jan 21 '20
Ahhhh GTAO, haha I read it right but for some reason I was thinking RDO. Can you imagine 150k in RDO? You could buy everything there is to buy and then some!
Still that's a lot of cash even in GTAO
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u/krocman Jan 21 '20
150k in gto isn’t even pocket change.
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u/chompythebeast Jan 21 '20
Tbh I haven't played since near the beginning, since the patch that introduced player housing. You're right I guess, even at that time apartments were a few million, but inflation has probably made 150k into real chump change by now I'm sure
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u/krocman Jan 22 '20
Indeed. Granted 150k is good to have, stuff costs soooo much. It’s honestly reasonable to see modders, granted they don’t grief.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Oh, haha, right on. You could probably buy Tahiti for that much back then!
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
It’s cool, anyone can believe whatever they wish to believe. I’m not gonna argue with anyone about it.
I’m skeptical that anything can be done with it as well. This is just a possible reason of the XIII being on the watch.
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u/Spiff76 Jan 22 '20
Yep I’ve had it and golden chain gun, the big diamond, as well as the lost film reel in my small warehouse for two years as I refuse to sell them. Had to even fend off warehouse interlopers a few times.
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u/MikeCharlieGolf Jan 21 '20
Could be a sneaky reference to the first sentence of the book 1984:
It was a bright day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Oh man, this conversation could go in a whole other direction, if that’s what the 13 was referring to. Good stuff my friend.
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u/SirenaDeep Jan 28 '20
Do you not have 24hr clocks? That just means its 1pm
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u/MikeCharlieGolf Jan 28 '20
The generally accepted interpretation of that quote is that “clocks striking thirteen” represents the disinformation of a dystopian future, as 12-hour clocks don’t strike 13, not that it was 1PM in 24-hour time.
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u/Doak1851 Jan 21 '20
XIII is a first-person shooter video game based on some Belgian novel. Ubisoft 2003.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Right on, I’ll have to check that out. Is the novel called XIII?
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u/Doak1851 Jan 21 '20
I have not had the enjoyment of reading said novel(s) but understand that game was based on 3 or 4 novels with same title.
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u/mevic1 Jan 22 '20
Isn't there also like a movie and a show or something?
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u/Doak1851 Jan 22 '20
I’m not too sure. Not long ago I did see a video showing it was going to be remastered as a game.
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u/mevic1 Jan 22 '20
I looked it up, apparently it was a two episode "miniseries" with Val Kilmer and a Val Kilmer-less TV show.
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u/spectredirector Jan 22 '20
OP is a well known crazy person, but fucking diligent.
I stand by my earlier theory, Dev error.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20 edited Jan 22 '20
Haha, I can’t argue with you. I’d say that’s a pretty accurate description of myself. Personally, I feel that you need to be a little “touched” to figure out this kind of shit.
...but, I must say, that your cheese done slid Waay the fuck off of your cracker my friend, if you think that’s a dev error. :)
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u/spectredirector Jan 22 '20
Credit your tenacity, I've come around to agnostic on this. There's something intriguing here no doubt. I guess the sundial has the most connective tissue to make this mean something, but I still don't see a reason for the switching of a V to an X being intentional; and I still think that's a really easy mistake for a designer to make and QC to miss.
I guess I need to know what the meaning of this being intentional could be. Fibonacci sequence, fine, so what? Why?
I think commenters have demonstrated there are a ton of plausible theories. Here's another: electric elevators. Patented in 1887, becoming popular around 1900, removed 13 from the floor list. 13 is considered unlucky (to some) and convincing people to get into an electric coffin that went up hundreds of feet was already a tough sell. So at a time period society is removing 13, Reutlinger has added it. Right?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 23 '20
Yeah man, others have presented a lot of really good alternatives to my theory, and I think that it’s fuckin awesome. There’s a lot to look into. I’m just glad that we are discussing it.
It’s a part of a story mission, so I would think there would be more eyes on it than just 1 or 2 people. Obviously, I can’t state that as a fact. Is there any other thing in the game that has a XIII on it? If not, why would the even design one, Even the tiniest, most obscure clocks in the game have it right. So it seems illogical for the most detailed clock in the game to have it wrong. Idk...just sayin.
I have no idea where the Fibonacci sequence could be used. I’m starting to think that maybe the golden ratio/phi could be what the watch is pointing us to. I’m not sure about the elevator stuff, but I’m open to whatever. It never has been my way or the highway, although some seem to think that it is with me. They’re probably just projecting their insecurities on me. I just want us to figure some of this shit out.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 23 '20
Btw, that shit about me being a crazy person made me laugh my ass off. Good stuff man.
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u/spectredirector Jan 23 '20
We're good, you and I, right? So know I'm saying this from a place of respect, you are legitimately an irrational person. You've got zero evidence that this is a thing, but absolutely won't tolerate anyone saying this isn't a thing cause they can't provide evidence. And don't get me wrong, your irrational argument totally got me to question my beliefs, so it works I guess, but you're a crazy person.
Okay, I don't think this is related to the golden number, but I do think it's a hint to something tangible. Something that has to do with the number thirteen, that takes place at 8 o'clock, or 8:40. I think the next step needs to be finding other 13s in the game, let's start with collectibles. The compasses, there's at least 2. The passable thing from the braithwaites Manor. I'm gonna throw out another crazy thought, I think there are roman numerals hidden in rock textures around the map. There's a rock just South of the vandorn lighthouse that has an X on it facing away from shore (you have to swim to it I think). There's one north of the train tracks from the fossilized man - a v and some I s I think. I think if you put out a post for roman numerals on rock textures, people might find others, and perhaps the coders can find more. Thoughts?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 23 '20 edited Jan 23 '20
Oh yeah, we’re good man. I don’t believe that I’m irrational by any means. I may be a little “touched” but, I don’t think I’m irrational. Not nearly as much as those saying it’s a mistake.
Id argue that numbers are evidence though...granted it is not a slam dunk, cased closed piece of evidence, but at least it’s something.
It’s not speculating that some hypothetical solo jackass messed up, and that another hypothetical solo jackass missed it. Not to mention all the testers. We don’t know how many people had there eyes on it. We don’t know how the operate there. So to speculate on so many unknowns, to me, is height of foolishness. Those same people are quick to pounce on and belittle others who come here with only pure speculation, but somehow it’s ok for them to do it. Fuck that. They remade the game for pc...why didn’t they fix it?
I think, it’s more that people are incapable of admitting they were wrong, so they just double down on it. One thing I know, is people, and their petty motivations and fragile egos. It’s a story as old as time itself.
You can’t argue that the 8 and 13 are not Fibonacci numbers right? ...and that the ratio between them is the tiniest fraction off of the golden ratio. It cannot be refuted. It’s one of the good things about math. To me, that’s evidence.
I know what you’re talking about. I hesitate to put out anything that is a rock texture. That’s just going off past experience, and seeing others attempt it. Who knows though, it may be something. At this point we have to think outside the box. If all we have left is grasping at straws, we are going to have to reach for them. So, yeah, anything is fair game imho.
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u/spectredirector Jan 23 '20
You had me at irrational. I totally get your argument now, but the way you say/write it doesn't communicate to my brain (and I assume others) clearly. I wouldn't be so defensive about people not seeing it your way, cognitive bias is a product of environment. You're inclined to take your circumstantial evidence and believe it to indicate something, and dismissing others is fine, it's your perrogative. But everyone who doesn't see it your way isn't necessarily wrong, and you're willing to admit that, you just don't need their input on your post.
Yes, 8 and 13 are Fibonacci, fact. So what now?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 23 '20
Yeah man, I suck at writing, and putting my thoughts on paper. My social skills are pretty much garbage as well haha. Not my skill set.
I don’t really know what now. Was hoping some mathematicians would see if it could fit anywhere. Tbh, I’m more interested in the sundial on the Bank of Rhodes at the moment.
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u/spectredirector Jan 23 '20
So in good storytelling there are some key elements, one is repetition. The writers of RDR2 were keenly aware of this, for example it starts with a boat heist, later the casino boat, the shipwreck/guarma, and all the talk of eventual escape by boat.
If there's 2 of something, like a sundial, I'd think it speaks to something.
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u/TheLobsterGaming Feb 14 '24
I know I’m 4y late to the party, but just because I hadn’t seen it mentioned in this thread, the Reutliger isn’t the only watch or clock in game to replace Roman numerals. Almost all clocks and watches in game have some sort of discrepancy in their Roman numerals being changed to a number that’s 5 hours different.
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u/Kaineferu 🤠 Jan 21 '20
Woaaaaah, very interesting. I like this
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty cool idea, and hoped others would too. Some are throwing out some other good possibilities as well.
Could’ve used them the last time I made a post about the Reutlinger. That...was kind of a shit show haha.
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u/sLic_papa Jan 26 '20
It should be pointed out that most watches, particularly old/high end ones, that use Roman numerals use IIII for 4, however the watch in game uses IV. Given that, I started wondering if the watch has something to do with the Chelonians and has the XIII as a mirage image of two VIIIs just as the tree near the Turtle house has LEADERX burned into it in the same manner.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 26 '20
Yeah, the 4 being shown as IIII, is on a lot of old time pieces. The gold pocket watch in the game, has the 4 like that. On a personal note, I prefer the 4 as IIII, because I think it balances out the VIII, making the watch more aesthetically pleasing...to me anyways.
I think that’s an awesome idea about the watch possibly being related to the Chelonians! The XIII would be the mirror image of the VIII. Good stuff man. The little diamonds on the watch almost appear to be turtle shaped as well. Definitely gonna have to look into this.
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u/sLic_papa Jan 26 '20
Oh, so if the gold watch has them like IIII then why does the Reutlinger have it as IV yet would be, and was even verified in game to be, a far more "authentic" and valuable watch? Seems someone wanted someone to notice the lack of IIII.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 26 '20
Yeah, it’s possible. I’m glad people are starting to realize that the Reutlinger may be important. Everyone has always thought the 13 was just an error. Not me.
I noticed the IIII on the gold watch. I think the Strange Man is on the gold watch...but not ever can see him. The name number for “Strange Man” in Pythagorea numerology is the number 4. Could just be a coincidence though.
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u/BakedBean89 Jan 21 '20
Do the clock hands line up with the rocks at burial grounds?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
I’m not sure, but I think I know where you are going with that question...Is it because there are 13 stones that make up the circle? The circle that’s divided into 8 sections perhaps? If so, that is a great question my friend.
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u/Andywaxer Jan 22 '20
I don’t buy the Fibonacci theory I’m afraid. But I do agree with you that it is in no way a mistake.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20
It’s cool, that’s what this sub is about. I’m just glad that we are talking about it. Can I ask why you don’t? just curious.
I’m glad that you agree that it isn’t a mistake. I can’t quite wrap my head around the motivation for that claim.
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u/Andywaxer Jan 22 '20
The sequence just isn’t there. 1 you technically need twice. 2 and 3, fine. 4 isn’t in the sequence but there it is on the watch. 5, fine. 6 and 7, again not in the sequence. 8 is in the sequence but that’s the number that’s been replaced by 13! Other than 13 being the next number you would need there really isn’t a connection. But as far as those delusional fools who think it’s an accident or mistake; really? You think in a game this detailed a programmer, someone who works with numbers, would be so numerically illiterate as to not know 8 comes after 7? Or that 8 is VIII, after working out all the other numbers up to 12 in Roman numerals? Get over yourselves! I’m not saying this is the key to unlocking the power of flight or anything, but Rockstar love putting quirky little things in to spark insane discussions...
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20 edited Jan 23 '20
Oh, I see what you are saying. Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough. I wasn’t saying that the sequence was there, I was saying since 8 and 13 are in fact Fibonacci numbers, and in because the are next to each other in the sequence, that it was referring to the Fibonacci sequence. That’s why I put the slash in Fibonacci number/sequence.
I may update my post here in a bit though...because I’m starting to think it may be more about phi and the golden ratio. Idk.
Yeah man, I can’t stand those people. They have nothing to back up their claim, and they bring nothing but negativity to this sub. I’m done with them.
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u/Anthropologuy87 Jan 21 '20
I thought the watchmakers messed up, and that's why it's worth more.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
I think that was just fan fiction, because it’s not mentioned in the game. I haven’t come across any proof anywhere of that being the case.
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u/Sillyvanya Jan 22 '20
You're way overthinking it. It was probably just an "intentional mistake" on the part of the devs. Maybe one of them owned an old Swiss watch like this.
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u/Andywaxer Jan 22 '20
What do you mean by “intentional mistake”? How does that differ from an intentional detail? If there was prior intent, there was no mistake. By your own logic it was done for a reason.
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u/Sillyvanya Jan 22 '20
Maybe a clearer term is "mistake by design?" I really don't feel that this is all that complicated, but I'm saying they might've made it that way so that Reutlinger had made a watch with an egregious numbering error on it.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20
Maybe you’re probably....under-thinking it? Gonna need to see some proof feller.
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u/Sillyvanya Jan 22 '20
Oh look at that. You demand proof for disagreeing with you, but as soon as I point out you didn't have any to begin with, you clam up. Huh.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20 edited Jan 22 '20
Haha nah fooh, I was asleep. Yes I do demand proof....or at least something that makes sense. Give me something more than an assumption based on nothing. I’m wondering, what is the motivation behind this nonsense? The only thing that makes sense, is that you are someone who cannot admit they are wrong, so what do you do? ..you double down. It just makes you look weak my friend. It’s ok to be wrong, just be wrong in your wrongness....and then kick rocks. :)
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u/MrAndrewJackson Aug 02 '24
The burden of proof is on you to prove your Fibonacci sequence theory, not someone else to disprove said theory.
I don't think any of these theories sound likely, honestly, XIII replaced with VIII may have been overlooked, they look almost identical. It may have been an intentional easter egg with no deeper meaning, or we may find out more in RDR3.
The only theory that seems kind of plausible to me is the reference to game XIII and the comic book series (or something similar) because the dev was a fan of the game/comic and drew inspiration from it. Perhaps the person who designed the watches put this in intentionally without it being noticed, since VIII and XIII look almost the same
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u/Sillyvanya Jan 22 '20
You also don't have any real proof, so I don't want to hear that from you.
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u/Zeenho Jan 22 '20
This theory looks too complicated. IMHO, if this XIII was put on purpose, devs mean that we should change 8 to 13 or 5 to 10 somewhere.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20
It’s not really that complicated. I am pretty terrible at math, so if I can understand it, then most people should be able to as well.
The short Youtube video in the post, I think does a good job of explaining it. Check it out if you want.
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u/Silverpathic Jan 22 '20
Not a math person at all, could this fit into the number sequence with the girl in the outhouse at the braithwates?
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20
I honestly don’t know. I do think her numbers mean something though. The little robotic Madame Nazar in GTA repeats them. Could be just to show that the 2 worlds are the same, or it could mean something else. Idfk.
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u/Ringdangreddit Jan 22 '20
the evidence is that there are 12 hours in a day and there is a 13 on the watch. It most likely is just a mistake that they don't bother fixing because 1. they assume most players are going to sell the watch because of its value and 2. its a monumentally tiny part of the game. And honestly if they fix THAT before they fix the animals not spawning in red dead online i'm going to be REALLY annoyed.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 22 '20
Sounds to me that you may be the one assuming. Your argument is illogical. Firstly, there are 24 hours in a day, and even if there were 12, having a 13 in place of the 8 still doesn’t make sense. Maybe if it was in place of the 12...maybe it would make sense....but it doesn’t though. Why would they even make a Roman numeral XIII? They wouldn’t.
Every single clock in the entire game that I’ve seen (100+) all have the 8 as an VIII. Even the tiniest most obscure clock has it right. So one that is as detailed as the a Reutlinger has the mistake? C’mon man! I don’t mean to be a dick, but really, it’s pretty absurd argument don’t you think? I’m not saying my theory is correct, but I am saying without a doubt, it is not a mistake.
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u/Ringdangreddit Jan 23 '20
I did not phrase it right, yes there are 24 hours in a day what i meant to say was its a 12 hour clock and somehow my thoughts got mashed up, so i made a dumb mistake there whoops. but the simple mistake is that they replaced the "VIII" with "XIII" its a pretty simple typo. i dont find it hard to believe at all that they messed up the reutlinger out of all the clocks, remember youre talking about the company that released the moonshine update. the update that broke the game so bad that DayZ seems stable in comparison. anyway i said my peace, you believe what you believe i believe what i believe and lets leave it at that.
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u/SlipperySteve11 Feb 01 '20
it’s next to IX which is first number to use X. it’s typo that’s really hard to catch. you also posted a video of a bunch broken logs spelled Gavin. you’re drunk on conspiracy.
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u/sLic_papa Feb 02 '20
This is not a "typo" as it is a graphical element. I believe the XIII and the IV (which is almost always displayed as IIII on fancy expensive watches) are intentional.
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u/sLic_papa Feb 02 '20
Just watched a video by edepot to verify, and the gold watch has these marked as IIII and VIII. I couldn't make out the antique watch, but all others use Western Arabic numerals.
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u/MrAndrewJackson Aug 02 '24
I don't think the IV is intentional. Even still, there are plenty of watches that use IV instead of IIII as well, though it might not be the norm or tradition
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u/MrAndrewJackson Aug 02 '24
Exactly, this is one of those things where you can't spot a mistake even if you are told there is one. Kind of like the phrases that put in the word 'and' twice on the top and bottom row. If I was tasked with checking games for errors/typos I would definitely overlook that XIII
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u/Boggie135 Jan 21 '20
Lmao, I sold it the first chance I got
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
I think quite a few people sold it. On my first l play through, I didn’t even notice the 13. I kept it because I thought it was just a cool looking watch.
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 21 '20
It’s the nicest watch for checking the time in game. Old school bling bling.
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
No doubt about it. I kinda dig the gold watch as well.
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 21 '20
Me too. I would have sold it in my first playthrough but once I found out that you could check your watch with the wheel (instead of the pause screen) I started whipping that thing out everywhere just to be that old timey guy flipping his watch out of his waistcoat
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u/xTHEHATETANKx Jan 21 '20
Nice. That’s old school cool.
Did you know that there is a likeness of the Strange Man on the gold pocket watch? ...At least myself and some others think there is anyways. Not everyone can see it though, so it’s tough to prove. Here, check it out, and see if you can see him.
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u/DirtyArchaeologist Jan 21 '20
I don’t see him, but I am waiting to pick up glasses from the eye doctor so that may have something to do with it.
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Jan 21 '20
I mean... I always keep everything unique with me cause the game gives you so much money anyway
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u/Thatguyaric Apr 24 '22
Right? Like, I can rob a few people for some shittier pocket watches and fence them, go say hi to the entirety of Saint Denis while checking my dope pocket watch and all is fine, pardner
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u/BookConsistent3425 Apr 26 '22
This lol Now if only I could keep people's unique hats... Wore Hamish's hat for a few days before someone made me lose it in a brawl. Guess I have to be content with having Buell.
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u/Atxd1v3 Jan 21 '20
Can you see the numbers in gto?