r/reddeadmysteries • u/TeaAdministrative916 • Jul 22 '24
Theory I think IKZ was sold to Angelo Bronte.
All the clues I used are in Algernon Wasp's cutsenes, hidden behind wordplay.
He talks about "aristocracy", "old family bloodlines", "money lending", "want to say no, but I cant't", and Italy. (There's more but i don't want to speculate too much.)
I believe her family was crushed by debt, and sold her to Angelo Bronte (just as Catherine Braithwaite did with Jack).
I'm not saying she can be found, but I'm starting to hope. It would be very difficult though, since, as Algernon says: "she is very demanding".
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Jul 22 '24
I think it’s interesting that Algernon, IKZ, and Angelo all have statues of Venus associated with them.
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
You seem to know way more than what you say. Thx for the hint.
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u/ShaunnieDarko Jul 22 '24
I tried for a while talking to the fence keeper in van horn in different outfits seeing if that would trigger anything. I did not try the algeron wasp outfits though.
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
Could this have something to do with the cart full of statues that we can steal for Seamus?
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u/Different_Meaning811 Jul 23 '24
I believe they’re referring to the Venus de milo statues that are around Algernon’s place. There are also some at Bronte’s mansion, and there’s one with IKZ’s belongings at the Van Horn Fence.
This is pretty interesting. I may be grasping at straws here, but the planet Venus is associated with a pentagram (Butchers Creek, or maybe the Old Tomb?) The orbit of Venus as seen from earth forms a pentagram over an 8 year period (Time between main story and epilogue).
It is also worth noting that you can find fertility statues in the game (one near Van Horn) that look like Venus figurines, as Venus was the Goddess of Fertility.
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Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
Yes, I was referring to those statues. There’s also the statue of Aphrodite holding the vase, found with the IKZ stuff, and at Bronte’s. The one with the IKZ stuff is interesting, as it shows Aphrodite as a light bearer….a Lucifer. Lucifer is the morning star.
Venus is also the morning star. The morning star heralds the dawn, which the pentagram at Butchers Creek could be referring to, as it appears in the morning, then disappears.
The pentagram of Venus as you mentioned, also has the number 13 attached to it, as well as the 8. It takes 8 Earth years to 13 years for Venus. On the Ruetinger Watch has the VIII replaced by the XIII…coincidence?
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u/Different_Meaning811 Jul 23 '24
This is good stuff. Have you tried using the watch around the pentagram?
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u/captainpoppy Jul 22 '24
How many years later and we're still trying to figure this out?
A) shows this is a great game B) also shows it was either never meant to be figured out, or it's cut content
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u/Anthropologuy87 Jul 23 '24
Definitely cut content. The fence's dog straight up looks at the stairs you can't go up.
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Jul 22 '24
Forgive me for being the idiot in the room but who is IKZ?
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
Just in case you're not trolling, it's the missing princess from the poster in Van Horn.
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Jul 22 '24
I'm really not trolling, I was aware of the missing girl poster. Guess I didn't make the leap that it was her initials
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u/Nukemybutt Jul 22 '24
well she’s cut content so her actual story isnt canon except for the few in game clues we have. The most likely story is she is somewhere in near van horn and annesburg. its also important to remember van horn and annesburg originally swapped spots on the map during development. in the game files the cut content shows thats the cut mission includes you hogtying her and bringing her to the annesburg sheriff’s office. Princess IKZ most likely was taken or sold too by a family member by some local small gang for ransom money but eventually she fell in with that gang. Which is why you would need to hogtie her. my theory is that it was basically a bounty mission. You kill the gang hogtie her and get the bounty price.
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
I'm sorry, but I have serious doubts about all these cut content things. How do we know it's cut? Are there interviews about it? I don't want to argue, i am genuingly asking.
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
She doesn’t appear in any YAS files, no lines of dialogue for her, literally the only things we have are the ped model and some small things here or there I can’t remember
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
So the proofs that she is not in the game are traces of her and her model?
I might be delusional, but I think that as good as the miners are, they mostly find what the devs let them see.
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
That’s not really how that works, there’s nothing devs “let us see” there’s the files the game ships with which are the files we can see, we can look at decompiled scripts, ped models, yldb (subtitle) files, pretty much everything
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
I believe you know more than i do, and Rockstar devs more than you do.
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
Obviously they’d know more but I don’t get what you’re thinking we can’t see, whatever the games final files are we can see, whatever appears in trailers, are mentioned in files and such we can figure out (like Javier’s chapter 3 outfit with the gold yellow vest), there’s stuff they have we haven’t seen like William’s original cutscene lines but we know they exist and rockstar likely has them if they haven’t been deleted And there’s probably some other stuff no one but them knows about
i just don’t really get what you mean when you say we only see what the devs want us to because I’m sure they’d rather people not criticize the game for the amount of stuff they cut, some of which for no reason
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
Let's just imagine, just once, that they really like hiding things. Like a treasure. The goal is not to give it to you, but to challenge you. We play their games but they play with us. And they keep winning. Do you also think that Mount Chilliad mystery is cut content?
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
There’s no reason for them to hide anything, they are a company, they are trying to please shareholders, with the amount of stuff that gets cut they don’t have time to put in some Easter egg hunt, especially when they don’t provide any tools to open files and the tool we did have that someone else made wasn’t updated for years
I feel like you think this is bigger than it is
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
I'm a fool, trying to convince someone online. I'm sorry, but it's pretty clear that we will not agree. Let's leave it here.
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u/CreativeAnything7302 Jul 22 '24
We found her in files... she's not cut. She has to be triggered. And by the way it looks. You end up not turning her in. So no she's not cut. Just has to be triggered
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
Yes she is in the files but she’s also cut content, there’s a myriad of unused characters in the files
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
What if there was a myriad of never triggered stuff?
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
Doubt it, we would know the triggers by now and how to trigger them but there just isnt
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u/CreativeAnything7302 Jul 22 '24
I thought that was never confirmed.
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u/No_Interaction4027 Jul 22 '24
It’s been confirmed, I seriously didn’t know people were still speculating, she is in fact cut content but like many other pieces of cut content there’s a few remnants here or there
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u/Quecksilber033 Jul 22 '24
Gertrude is the ‘possessed’ girl in the outhouse. Mrs. Braithwaite’s first name is Catherine :)
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u/PettyTeen253 Jul 23 '24
I have a question. Has there ever been a similar mystery or easter egg in another game that took more than 6 years to find? Something people thought was cut content but it wasn’t. If Ikz is somehow in the game, then this mystery might be the greatest easter egg in gaming history. I don’t believe rockstar would make her that hard to find though if she was in the game. We know from the files that her mission was a simple bounty type mission. Why would her mission be the only one in the game with so many random unspecified triggers? I wish she wasn’t but she is definitely cut and one thing proves it: she doesn’t have a voice actor or any dialogue.
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u/piangero Aug 10 '24
Oh yes there are still a few games out there that might have mysteries and easter eggs that are not yet found. Especially older games. I think I remember seeing someone finding a 30+ year old easter egg in some old NES game or something on Twitter a few years back? I dont remember the console exactly, but there was a thread where even the developer was like holy shit someone finally found it. I think there were even some very old mysteries in the GTA games that took years to figure out. So I wouldnt be surprised if there are still some unsolved bits in RDR2. We still dont know why we can trigger a rain storm, for example.
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u/iv320 Jul 22 '24
Would you share timecodes please?
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u/TeaAdministrative916 Jul 22 '24
I don't have any, it's all over/inside the dialogues. Just skip the silent parts!
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u/zup7up Jul 22 '24
Doesn’t he specifically talk about a contessa he’s trying to win over? What makes you think he actually means IKZ?