r/pathofexile 1d ago

Discussion 4/4 ritual with all ritual nodes on tree, can't defer 10 div item, thanks.

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u/ashcroftt Talismania! 1d ago

My suspicion is that ritual was put in with PoE1 tribute costs into PoE2 mob density. I never managed to get more than 3k tribute and have seen some insane costs. Tried grouping mobs and pulling them into the circle, but somehow the ritual becomes clickable when there's still plenty of monsters around. Also never seen an actual boss in the circle.

I'll wait for balance, it's such a feel-bad thing to see rewards you could have, but had no chance to actually get.

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u/setoarm PoEAthlete 1d ago

If it works like poe 1, only the mobs that spawn in the ritual circle count for said ritual, doesn’t matter how many you bring into the circles

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u/wruffx 1d ago

PoE1 had semi-reliable ways to make high-value mobs like Rogue Exiles or bosses spawn in the ritual altar. There's no way to cram the map with 1000 exiles+bosses yet, so no ritual juice. Also, every PoE1 map having a boss + ritual having a high chance to spawn in a boss' room/area added a lot of tribute to rituals.

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u/D3mona7or 1d ago

You could also run conqueror maps and shove them inside a ritual if it spawned in their boss room, you could get tribute up so high that way

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u/Weisenkrone 1d ago

You're wording sounds a little ambiguous here, so just to clarify;

A ritual in poe-1 can only absorb natural residents which were within the range of the ritual, you can't bait monsters into it. Neither unique, boss or rare monsters.

You may chose to skip all rituals to find the one with the most number of monsters present, to clear that as the first and respawn them at the other rituals, but the ritual monsters are predetermined the moment you open up the map.

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u/Persequor 1d ago

https://imgur.com/a/7NnzrEO

here are two photos that prove my ability to drag bosses into rituals and have it capture them

the first picture shows me, mid-ritual (you can see the black boundry and the ritual icon on the map), with one of city square's bosses targeted and its name visible, as well as see the 3 bosses near me. in this picture you can also see on the map overlay that i am close enough to the fountain where the bosses always spawn that there should be a ritual icon there IF there was a ritual that spawned there.

The second picture shows me, post-ritual (you can see the completed ritual icon exactly where the first picture's icon was as well as see one of my loot filter's item drops nearby in the same location). i have moved closer to the fountain where the bosses always spawn to confirm that no ritual has spawned on the bosses, and that only 1/4 rituals have been completed (in the bottom tribute icon 1/4).

these two pictures could only be possible if i had dragged the 3 bosses to the ritual before starting it, and had the ritual absorb them all. The wiki is wrong, and you are mistaken.

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u/Weisenkrone 1d ago

Hm, interesting I'll also look into this later. The more you know I guess.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Weisenkrone 1d ago

No, couldn't do that with exiles either. That's just a misunderstanding people had, it may look like as if you "did something" because the exiles snowball across rituals but you never could pull an exile that spawned outside the ritual into the ritual.

But like said before, an exile may spawn within and walk out, do you could try to pull it back inside the circle.

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u/Viscerid 13h ago

I had delirium's kosis in my ritual yesterday, he was there in the rituals, but gave no loot nor more favour as the numbers were very low even with a boss in them 700ish after 2 rituals with a boss in them. Something is weird there for sure, either be shouldn't have been in rituals or should have had more favour

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u/mattnotgeorge Marauder 1d ago

Unless it's been changed since Affliction league, monsters spawned by abysses can be respawned by rituals. That's why you'd run Ritual with the Abyss spire/additional monster projectiles strat, because you could get lucky and use the ritual circles to respawn the spires which would spit out a billion more monsters

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u/enceladusgroove 1d ago

you can pull map bosses in.

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u/wolfreaks SSF Bla 1d ago

No you can't.

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u/Persequor 1d ago edited 1d ago

https://imgur.com/a/7NnzrEO

here are two photos that prove my ability to drag bosses into rituals and have it capture them

the first picture shows me, mid-ritual (you can see the black boundry and the ritual icon on the map), with one of city square's bosses targeted and its name visible, as well as see the 3 bosses near me. in this picture you can also see on the map overlay that i am close enough to the fountain where the bosses always spawn that there should be a ritual icon there IF there was a ritual that spawned there.

The second picture shows me, post-ritual (you can see the completed ritual icon exactly where the first picture's icon was as well as see one of my loot filter's item drops nearby in the same location). i have moved closer to the fountain where the bosses always spawn to confirm that no ritual has spawned on the bosses, and that only 1/4 rituals have been completed (in the bottom tribute icon 1/4).

these two pictures could only be possible if i had dragged the 3 bosses to the ritual before starting it, and had the ritual absorb them all. The wiki is wrong, and you are mistaken.

Edit: I love that I’m still being downvoted, with proof.

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u/t-bone_malone 1d ago

New to all this: how does that prove that they were absorbed?

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u/Persequor 1d ago

If you can’t drag bosses into rituals, the only way those bosses can be inside a ritual is if a ritual spawned on them (and they started inside it). 

My pictures show the bosses inside a ritual-in-progress, as well as showing that there were no rituals on top of where the bosses spawn. In city square, the 3 bosses ALWAYS spawn NE or SW of the rectangular fountain in the center of the square. They also show that the ritual that I finished was the first ritual of the map, and that ritual was far enough away from the boss spawn that they cannot be naturally spawned inside of it, and must have been dragged there. 

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u/Weisenkrone 1d ago

The opposite actually.

Ritual viable monsters are tagged right at the start of the map based on their spawn location, however if you kill the said monsters outside of the ritual circle they won't generate the favor.

It may look like you're baiting a boss into the circle, but that's not what's happening.

The boss spawned inside the circle and then moved outside of it either during combat or during some animation. But it was tagged as a ritual candidate when it spawned.

You can only remove monsters from ritual, not add them.

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u/Persequor 1d ago

This is simply not true - I ran juiced city squares fully invested in ritual for the past few leagues. My strategy involved pulling the 3 city square bosses into the nearest ritual and completing it, which (combined with the 100% tribute from uniques bonus) let me get 11-15k tribute a map. 

You can ABSOLUTELY pull map bosses into rituals and have it capture them, even if the ritual is already ‘cleared’ (it’s trigger-able) 

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u/wolfreaks SSF Bla 1d ago

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ritual#Ritual_Altars

Luring monsters into a ritual circle will not add them to a ritual encounter; they must have already been tied to that ritual when the map was opened.

No you can't pull map bosses into rituals.

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u/Scorp_ASC 18h ago

What? This cant be right, I was doing ritual in city square a lot last league, and just pulling the bosses to the closest altar even if there was no ritual at the boss spawn, it always works to get ridiculous amounts of favour. Especially with +2 unique boss map mod. Try it.

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u/OtherwiseRabbits 14h ago

If you played Ritual league you would have heard it from the devs themselves. It was a deliberate decision so that the best reward doesn't come from tediously collecting mobs and bringing them to a dedicated kill zone.

You're supposed to be able to just do them as you find them and then move on, which is a bit of an odd inclusion with PoE2s other mechanics.

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u/Scorp_ASC 14h ago

Oh i did, im just saying you can pull bosses in poe 1 to rituals right now, and they will spawn in the rest of the rituals. No clue why this got downvoted lol, its how it works.

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u/Persequor 3h ago

im gonna keep posting this because apparently nobody knows that this is factually untrue and you 100% can drag bosses into altars.

https://imgur.com/a/7NnzrEO

here are two photos that prove my ability to drag bosses into rituals and have it capture them

the first picture shows me, mid-ritual (you can see the black boundry and the ritual icon on the map), with one of city square's bosses targeted and its name visible, as well as see the 3 bosses near me. in this picture you can also see on the map overlay that i am close enough to the fountain where the bosses always spawn that there should be a ritual icon there IF there was a ritual that spawned there.

The second picture shows me, post-ritual (you can see the completed ritual icon exactly where the first picture's icon was as well as see one of my loot filter's item drops nearby in the same location). i have moved closer to the fountain where the bosses always spawn to confirm that no ritual has spawned on the bosses, and that only 1/4 rituals have been completed (in the bottom tribute icon 1/4).

these two pictures could only be possible if i had dragged the 3 bosses to the ritual before starting it, and had the ritual absorb them all. The wiki is wrong, and you are mistaken.

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u/JoeyKingX 23h ago

I mean the game literally asks for tainted oils when trying to anoint a corrupted amulet, so yes it's very likely all 4 league mechanics got straight ported from poe1 with minimal changes.

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u/KontaSeefa 15h ago

I mean, imagine being a dev at GGG. One day Johnathan just says we’re going to build a new endgame system for early access. Oh two months isn’t enough? Three months it is then. ;)

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u/MantiH 3h ago

The king in the mists fight, which is supposed to be one of the big pinnacle boss fights in poE2, is also just straight up imported from PoE1, sooooo....

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u/Jester2008 1d ago

I had a weird interaction with ritual today. I was doing one and I crashed in the middle of doing it and when I came back I was back in the ziggurat refuge and so I went back into the map and I started running toward the ritual and once I got near it… it teleported me inside the ritual with it still ongoing. I was so confused lol.

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u/lionheart832 1d ago

Lol this happened to me too yesterday. Wierd glitch 

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u/Sahtras1992 11h ago

the only bugs i get are those tiruals you cant activate even with everything around it being dead.

consider yourself lucky!

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u/Extreme_Tax405 1d ago

It scales immensely with pack size as it revives monsters. If you want to maximise it you need to grab the atlas nodes with shrines and pack size.

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u/luka1050 1d ago

It's possible to get that amount. I get it by putting distilled one with pack size onto my maps. You will have to clear 30% deli tho

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u/convolutionsimp 1d ago edited 1d ago

That hasn't been my experience. I've been farming Ritual almost exclusively for probably 200+ maps. Yeah, the points have high variance (they had in PoE1 as well) and can range from 2000-4500, but I never had a case where I couldn't defer an item so far. It can definitely happen if you're a bit unlucky and you pay the reroll cost and then don't have enough left, but that's your mistake for rerolling when you have no points left after that. Since the reroll cost is fixed, you just need to calculate beforehand if you should reroll or not. You don't always get enough points to do all 2-3 rerolls with points left to spare.

Also, if you run Ritual, you also need to take into account the Precursor buffs, some of which reduce costs or increase tribute.

The main thing that needs adjustment is IMO the circle size, and the tablet drop rate. I'm constantly running out of tablets.

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u/retryui 1d ago

I did not reroll or bought anything, i don't even have the 50% inc boss drop thing node as i took "Between Two worlds" node to get more points, but still only 2k in this map...

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u/convolutionsimp 1d ago

Yeah, I also only get 2k points sometimes, but I never had the case where I couldn't defer something. It usually only costs a few hundred points? I've gotten the Omen in your pic at least 4 times and deferred it fine. Does the cost increase if you defer many items? Because I never defer more than one (I don't care about the exalts).

I do have the increased audience drop chance node in the tree.

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u/retryui 1d ago

I have no idea, i just started farming ritual after getting 8/8 points and it's the first time i had a drop like it, i'm just so sad man

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u/convolutionsimp 1d ago

Yeah, that really sucks. Sorry, I don't know either how exactly the deferral cost works. All I know is that in hundreds of Rituals my deferrals were always usually a few hundred points.

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u/WhyteTV 1d ago

Is there a reason for deferring all the exalts and not just taking them?

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u/DonWager 1d ago

I guess he saw one, couldn't afford it, deferred it, the next time he saw the deferred and one that spawned "naturally" but taking one would be too expensive to defer the other so he deferred both, and so on, but that's only a guess, not playing Ritual myself.

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u/luka1050 1d ago

Wouldn't that reduce his chance of getting a big item like the king thing since it always spawns into the top left corner or does it not matter ?

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u/tohta 1d ago

Doesn't matter.

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u/tohta 1d ago

Fair enough, but my point is that deferring items will not prevent high value items from appearing in the window

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u/luka1050 1d ago

Oh. Thanks

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u/FortuneCookie40G Raider 1d ago

It's not that it spawns in the top left, it's just that it spawns, and then gets sorted there. It'll just be sorted with the deferred items in mind. It kinda knows what's valuable (has to for costs) and tries to put it to the left.

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u/viniciusxis 22h ago

you always defer small items to be able to reroll 2x

the reason you do ritual is to see audience and omens, you only buy the exalts when they're really cheap or when they show up on the last reroll and you still have favour/nothing good to defer

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u/DarkBiCin 1d ago

Their cost. Most times ive seen ex’s and alchemy they cost more than ive made in a ritual.

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u/BigFudgere 1d ago

My guess would be deferral cost is only very small and by deferring you can see more items. But I'm not sure, I'm not a ritual farmer

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u/dinoboni94 1d ago

If i remember correctly from PoE 1 the defferal cost is 10% of the total tribute cost of the item plus a 5% fee, and the item is discounted by that 10% you spent the next time it shows up, but you can only defer it so many times before it doesn't reappear again

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u/AKswimdude 1d ago

No you can defer it an infinite amount. It’s just that if you defer it and then don’t a few times when it shows up (after twice in a row?) then it will disappear.

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u/dinoboni94 1d ago

Isn't the whole point of deffering it to make it appear again, i thought if you didn't defer it it was just not coming back

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u/AKswimdude 1d ago

Yea, and each time you defer it comes back a little cheaper. But incase you don’t have enough to defer a second time or something it gives you a little leeway and stays in the deferred pool a couple times before not coming back. This is only for stuff you’ve deferred once. The first time an item shows up if you don’t defer or buy it’s gone.

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u/revveduplikeadeuce 1d ago

Does clearing all the rituals before you start them still add more tribute overall to it?

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u/Deknum Vanja 1d ago

It doesn't, but you should avoid doing rituals that are stuck in walls and only spawn like 5 monsters first.

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u/luka1050 1d ago

I don't think so. I did that and it added nothing but maybe it was rng idk

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u/pyevan 1d ago

Ritual to OP it was nerfed pre early access.

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u/astral_immo 1d ago

you're welcome

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u/Name259 1d ago

Saying you have all ritual nodes doesn't really says anything at all. Maybe you have 4 altars, cheaper rerols and more common audience with the king with 0 extra tribute nodes. So your your full ritual tree gives as much tribute as 0 nodes tree. Why do i say that? Because i just started doing ritual with 0 ritual points and if i'll get 2k on a 4 altars ritual i consider it unlucky. And i don't even juice my maps that much. Hell, most of them are blue.

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u/DBrody6 1d ago

Because i just started doing ritual with 0 ritual points and if i'll get 2k on a 4 altars ritual i consider it unlucky.

Bruh what. I feel like getting 2K favor is lucky, it's an absolute miracle to get that much in a 4 ritual map.

Regularly I walk out of the first ritual with 30 favor and maybe 200 by the second. No amount of increased pack size is fixing the game putting a grand total of 3 mobs in the broom closet where the ritual spawned.

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u/faithmeteor 22h ago

I have regularly had literally 1 mob in the ritual circle, and sometimes even on 'good' map types like savannah. I have quite a few of the mob density passives too.

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u/HardcoreExtreme123 13h ago

this is cap properly juiced rituals give from 4k minimum to 9k favour on good layouts and with good corruption rng

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u/privatemz17 1d ago

Wasn't this fixed in PoE1 some time ago so you would not get things with deferral price higher than what you got? The only way you could get shafted was to reroll while not having enough favor left. Am I remembering wrong? It has been too long since last league.

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u/Legitimate-Score5050 1d ago

Can't you respec into the 50% discount node?

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u/Goldni 1d ago

ya ive had some rituals where a single one only gave me like 100-200 tribute just cause of the terrible layouts

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u/quicksscope 1d ago

Something is obviously broken, either too low amount of mobs or too high costs. It sucks but game is in early access so such things can be expected.

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u/Tehu-Tehu Occultist 20h ago

get rid of this stupid tribute system. let us buy 1 item per shop reroll and give the ritual tree a node that lets us buy 2, the tribute system was always dumb IMO, makes ritual even more shit than it already is

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u/PraiseTheWLAN 20h ago

Dude you have 0 rituals left, lol

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u/retryui 12h ago

Yes that's what i meant, i "used" 4 rituals so had the most points possible, bought nothing, 0 rerolls, still couldn't defer one item.

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u/PraiseTheWLAN 11h ago

Oh nevermind, just saw they put the tribute number up in this version for whatever reason

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u/matt2242 20h ago

yeah that frustrating. I haven't seen any expensive items but I did have a div in there for 5k tribute that I will never be able to afford

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u/Happyberger 17h ago

How many times did you reroll until you saw this?

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u/retryui 12h ago

Zero

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u/Happyberger 12h ago

Strange. It wasn't even possible to roll an item you couldn't afford to differ in the first window in PoE1

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u/saffer_zn 14h ago

Endgame needs to cook. Took POE1 10years to reach perfection , no way NO.2 will have even close to ready.

I'll be back when it comes out early access , for now I have had enough.

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u/Powerfulwizaard 11h ago

You can't have all the ritual nodes on the tree.

I'm guessing you went the cookie cutter build of He approaches / Tempting offers and Spreading darkness. Try getting rid of the 4 altar node and taking Promised devotion instead and you would've been able to defer this

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u/Ging1919 9h ago

Off topic question but how do u fight the boss for this tree? Need to find omen of the king in rituals?

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u/Tyra3l 23h ago

What are the chances, lol.

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u/Struyk 1d ago

guess why its 10 div?

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u/Manic_Depressing 1d ago

You're looking at the deferral fee not the total deferral cost.

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u/retryui 1d ago

Nope, i deferred something else instead and it worked? I found HH next map and it costed the same, i needed 3k to defer.

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u/Rainboltpoe 23h ago

Player has 2069 tribute. Deferral fee is 1184 tribute. The most upvoted comment is a complaint about not having enough tribute, but unless I misread the image, the player has plenty.

What am I not seeing?

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u/kingdweeb1 Chieftain 23h ago

Deferral fee is not what you pay to defer, and he cannot defer it. Hence its grayed out in the menu, and theres red text on the tooltip.

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u/Rainboltpoe 22h ago

Yup, definitely missed that deferral fee and deferral cost were separate line items. Thanks.

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u/retryui 23h ago

It's wrong, i needed to pay the 3481 fee.

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u/jrossbaby 22h ago

Read the line under deferral fee. It literally says total deferral cost

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u/Historical_Ant_2893 22h ago

My friend lost 1 mirror in ritual because don't have points to defer, very fun mechanic .

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u/Fair_Opportunity2178 21h ago

Never fill up your defer slots that is a poe 1 strategy never fill them up

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u/EternaLEnV 1d ago

It requires 3.4k to defer or 1.1k?

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u/EternaLEnV 1d ago

I hope you that smart somewhere else outside poe :)

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u/roadneverendz 1d ago

Even without any nodes I sometimes get over 4k of tribute. Did you spend some in that and only 2k left? Or is it all you have got?

It’s highly dependent on map pack size and layout btw.

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u/roadneverendz 1d ago

ty for info btw, never liked ritual mechanic to learn that limits