r/modhelp Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

Answered Rights of a user whose content was cross-posted to our sub without their "consent"

Our sub has a popular Contributor, let's call her "User A". Also involved is a stranger to the sub, User B. User B posts a lot of image content to both her profile and to other NSFW subs

User A crossposted a profile post of User B into our sub. User B complained in comments and a free-form report, that User A didn't have her consent.

Personally, our gut reaction is that everyone on reddit releases the rights to their content when they hit the Post button. And we should (gently) tell User B to STFU.

We can't find anything in the UA, the Conrent Policy, or the Mod CoC that supports User B directly. Indirectly, of course, there is "Respect the Human".

Thoughts?

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u/H_Lunulata 25d ago

User B is SOL. People who can't handle / don't want cross-posting probably shouldn't be on Reddit, or at least not using the public fora.

She can take the post down, of course.

You can respect her and still take note that she is being unreasonable.

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u/inkyflossy Mod, r/BlackworkEmbroidery 25d ago

fora warms my heart 

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

She can take the post down, of course.

Looks like that would interfere with the monetization of her content her inner peace.

Thanks! Our thoughts too.

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u/cmhbob r/Muskogee 25d ago

I recently received this message on another account in response to something I cross-posted:

Your post has been removed because it is a crosspost of content you did not originally post.

Recent changes to Reddit site-wide policy defines cross posting content without consent as harassment, and this is against Reddit site policy.

Please do not cross post non original content (I.E,. content of which you were NOT the original poster) again.

Continual breaches of this rule will result in your account being banned.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

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u/cmhbob r/Muskogee 25d ago

It was also news to me and I've been a mod for a while now.

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u/BattleForTheSun 25d ago

Never heard of this either and it seems a stretch to call cross-posting harassment (even without consent)!

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u/Uphoria 24d ago

So they're just lying then.

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u/7thAndGreenhill r/Delaware, r/wilmingtonde 25d ago

User B can block User A.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

Thanks. We'll keep that in our back pocket. But that doesn't remove the content already cross-posted or resolve the root cause of the conflict.

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u/7thAndGreenhill r/Delaware, r/wilmingtonde 25d ago

Honestly, I don't think this is a conflict that you need to resolve. If the cross post is not against your sub rules there is nothing you need to do for User A.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

Think you mean B, but yes. "Resolution" meaning "both parties understand the outcome was fair".

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u/magiccitybhm 25d ago

If that's your definition of "resolution," you may never reach it. As long as you know you've done what was fair and right, that is what matters. You can't force others to accept that.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

Yeah, closest point of approach works too, thanks. Ya gotta aim high to be on target.

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u/zomboi 25d ago

you could inform her that anything she puts online she will lose control over, since she has no way of knowing who will view and download and if those folks will repost it somewhere else online.

some people don't think of the above.

If you want to be nice you can remove the image, since it is her content and she has complained to you that she doesn't want it in your subreddit

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u/neuroticsmurf r/WhyWomenLiveLonger, r/SweatyPalms 25d ago

Is the post that User A posted a NSFW post featuring User B?

If so, the Admins will take it down.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 25d ago

It is NSFW by declaration, but it could get by as PG-13. It's also crossposted to a NSFW sub.

What's the logic train that the admins will intervene here?

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u/neuroticsmurf r/WhyWomenLiveLonger, r/SweatyPalms 24d ago

The Admins are real strict about sharing someone else's intimate media (read: porn), even if it was initially publicly shared. I thought you were talking about that kind of thing.

But even so, I've had items on my sub taken down by the Admins after someone (usually in the video) makes a copyright infringement claim.

In any case, it's out of your hands. The Admins will remove it from your sub or not. I just wouldn't respond to User B either way.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 24d ago

Thanks!

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u/retardrabbit Mod, r/fixit 24d ago

Totally depends on your sub's culture.

On my sub it would mean someone was being disingenuous with a request for help or advice, and would 100% be removed.

But in my sub's case that post is also going to be a karma farming post or spam bot traffic.

Therefore: It's your call, and your prerogative. Do as you see fit.

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u/ironically_Alison 19d ago

i think i may be the "A" in this scenario, oops!

a few days ago checking my profile i saw that there had been some kind of contention over a crosspost i had made. i only briefly looked into what was said, saw that the original content creator was displeased with the crosspost i had made, and so i quickly deleted it (at least that's the action i went thru on my end, so i assume it disappeared from the subredit where i had crossposted it).

i'm sincerely sorry to have done something disagreeable to "B". i quite genuinely admire their content, which has an unusually witty and smile-inducing angle for that kind of nsfw output. i had crossposted them before, without any incidents i'm aware of. Given the vibes of their work and the interests of the subreddit i crossposted it to, i just thought it was a good fit and frankly it didn't occur to me that they would take exception to it.

idk exactly what they said in response to the mods, or if it seemed intemperate. regardless of any legal rights they may have been lacking in, i much prefer to satisfy their request than leave them with disagreeable feelings. they may have felt, for reasons i can empathize with, that the crosspost subreddit was NOT the kind of fit they wanted to be associated with, and i have to respect that. i hope in doing so i resolved the matter to everyone's satisfaction, and the blame for any hurt feelings falls upon me. i apologize to the mods, and to the original content creator, all of whom are people i like and wish well, and i hope i wont give any of you future cause of trouble.

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u/Eclectic-N-Varied Mod, r/reddithelp, etc. 19d ago

Ma'am, Ah cahn neither confirm nor deny that ironically your name and "User A" both start with the "A".

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u/KillAllTheThings Mod, r/Panduhhmonium and others 25d ago

Copyrights include the right to decide who can publish that content. One does not give up their copyright simply by posting to a public forum. Even if those rights are frequently ignored.

User A does not have any rights to User B's content. If User B disapproves of crossposting you should respect her request regarding her IP.

If you were being fair, User B should get all the engagement for her works, not User A.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago edited 25d ago

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u/KillAllTheThings Mod, r/Panduhhmonium and others 25d ago

That's like the exact opposite of what I said.

I don't understand why you think banning someone for posting their own content is the correct solution to someone violating their copyright.

Fair use is also a thing.

It doesn't apply here.

If you were being fair, User B should get all the engagement for her works, not User A.

This is the whole point of the reddit karma process.