I know she tried to kill Juliette, shes vindictive and blah blah and she's a hexenbeast and all that cool but damn. They really took her baby just like that. Like looking at her life can we really blame her? Also she's innocent when it comes to juliette. Juliette has to go! I'm not gonna lie I cried a little for Adalind. Im saying. This on watching S3E19

I love Reggie Lee's deadpan, sardonic, snarky delivery and sense of humor. Honestly, he's one of the things that made the show special to me.

Funny thing is, prior to Grimm, I only knew Reggie Lee as an actor who excelled at playing evil villains. I hated his character in Prison Break where he played an evil fed. I saw him recently in a Law & Order SVU (?) rerun playing a guest character, a psychiatrist, and there was sadly no opportunity for Mr. Lee to let him comedic chops shine.

One of the many writing choices that irritated me in Grimm was the decision to have Wu stay in the dark for so long. Even when he was told, they never really focused on him or Hank the way that I would have liked or that either character deserved, imo. (For example, I would have liked more on Wu beyond the brief lycanthropy bits in S5. And both he and poor Hank deserved a successful love interest, imo.)

Anyway, cheers to one of the very best parts of Grimm! If there is a reboot, I hope Captain Wu or Police Commissioner Wu is a part of it.

Juliet faced double standards of expectations throughout Grimm. From the start, the show made a big deal about how normal people struggle to handle the truth about Wesen, often going mad or spiraling when exposed to it. But Juliet, because she was Nick’s partner, was expected to not only handle this information but also roll with it and help him out. Despite trying her best—researching, supporting Nick, and engaging with a world she didn’t choose—she was still criticized for not being perfect in an impossible situation.

Juliet dealt with consequences she didn’t even understand were coming. She woke up from a Wesen-induced coma, something she couldn’t have predicted or stopped, and later developed feelings for Renard because of a spell put on her while she was unconscious. Neither of these events were her choice, yet she bore the fallout. When asked to help Nick, she didn’t fully grasp the risks—how could she, when the consequences were so far beyond anything she’d ever known?

Her transformation into a Hexenbeast added another layer of unfairness. Even Adalind, who’d been one for years, admitted it changes how you think. Juliet didn’t choose to become a Hexenbeast, but once she was, she was judged for her actions as if she were still entirely herself. Considering the circumstances, it’s understandable that she struggled to adapt. What she did as one is unforgiven and unforgiveable... it made my heart shrivel to her ... yet I still want to yell that she is what she was made to be... that isn't who she was.

Meanwhile, other flawed characters in Grimm were given the grace to grow and even thrive. Adalind started the show trying to kill Nick’s aunt and later raped Nick, yet she ended up with a redemption arc and a happy ending with him. Other main characters like Monroe, Hank, and Rosalee found resolution and happiness. Juliet, however, was never afforded that same grace.

Out of all the characters, Juliet arguably faced the most severe and lasting consequences for her connection to Nick. Unlike the others, she started as someone completely outside the Wesen world. She was dragged into it by circumstances beyond her control, faced monumental challenges, and ended up with little to no resolution. Her identity shifted to Eve, and she was left disconnected from everyone, with no real closure or happiness.

This isn’t to say Juliet was flawless. She made mistakes, like being selfish after Nick’s assault, but her reactions were realistic given the circumstances. She was human. Yet, while the show allowed other characters to make mistakes and find redemption, Juliet was treated differently. Everyone else got a chance to move forward and find happiness, but Juliet didn’t. That imbalance stands out, and it’s hard not to see how unfairly her story ended compared to the rest of the cast.

Eisbiber are in the Wesen world described as one of the most cowardly Wesen. But Bud proved that there is bravery in Eisbiber.

Once he befriended Nick, he became one of his most loyal friends and stood by him and was always willing to help him.

He stood his ground against the Wesenrein. He helped Adalind hide in his house, even had a baseball bat ready to protect her. And sure he was scared, but he was still ready to help.

Bud is really an underrated hero. And you don’t need to fight bad guys to be a brave hero. You can also be a brave hero by speaking up and standing up.

Who do you think would win in this fight? How? Who would team up? Who would die first? Give me all your theories.

I recently finished watching Grimm for the first time and I have to say the ending wasn’t the greatest. It was okay in my opinion but they could have added some more too it. Like even an extra episode just to see everyone and how everything has changed. Maybe see Nick and Adalyn get married, where did Eve end up? Seeing Monro & Rosalee become parents and how their triples look like. What happened to Renard? It just fells to me kind of half ass.

I really enjoy having a home decorated for the holiday, but I think I'd lose it in Monroe's home at Christmas time. My claustrophobia would be triggered and explode sky high. 42 boxes worth of stuff, and ornaments hanging even from the ceiling?!!

I found a fun photo on Twitter from back in the day where one of the film crew shared a photo of them decorating the set. Man, soooooo much stuff! 😅😬

I also included 2 photos of Monroe's Halloween decor because the daytime photo shows better than my tv viewing ever did the GIGANTIC spider's web or cobweb that covers alnost the entire roof! Wowser. I remember the inside was heavily decorated for Halloween, too, though it wasn't as intense as Christmas.

I could deal better with the outside decor better, because I wouldn't be around it so much, but, honestly, for both indoor or outdoor decorations, I could never manage any of it by myself, as Monroe presumably did year after year.

Too, too, too much work! I mean, he probably has 1 storage unit devoted solely to his holiday decorations.

What about you guys? Would you/Could you:

A) happily and easily live inside Monroe's house at Christmas time?

B) gladly put up and then take down the exterior Halloween decorations or interior Christmas ones solo every year?

... for sleeping with Nick? We know she didn't mean to get pregnant with Kelly ... so that wasn't the purpose. So, did she do it just to mess with Nick and Julliet? Was it for bragging rights? Why did she do it?

It's just as it says. There were a lot of people who died. Some were more prognant and others were side characters. Others died in the journey it took to get the keys, the fight against Black Claw and so on. If you could pick one person whose death wouldn't have happened, who would it be?

My pick is Meissner. I cried when he died. Literal tears. Honourable mention is Uncle Felix. I don't know why or how I got so attached to him but loved that man, and I would've murdered his killers myself.

Hello my brothers and sisters,i judt wanted to discuss and get your opinions on whether Nick handled the Renard situation well enough.

Not taking S5 into account then i would ssy Sean was a decent man and a fair ally. That being said Nick basically allowed him to be even after he sent men to kill Marie, sent adalind to kill Marie, everything season 1 adalind did beside poison Juliette, Hank almost died, Wu was eating carpet (and not the good kind ) and was sick. All that was his direct plan and basically shifted everytjing to adalind.

She worked for a royal as a Hexenbeist and some wesen did, and are wont to do and also had feelings for sean but everything she did was cuz he wanted her to do it. Yes she poisoned Juliette but only after Nick killed part of her and we see when he was in thst position he was in a terrible state desperately wanting it back.

Sean even stole the key. The only reason he gave it back was cuz he rightly realized the royals would not reward him and might actually try to kill him and having a grimm would prove more beneficial.

He should have at least gotten beaten up more. Especially after he woged and Nick realized he was wesen and could rightfully kill him

Am i overreacting? Doing a rewatch and realized he got off easy for all he did. Especially how vengeful Nick could be, especislly sfter he moved the cops guarding marie and lied to Nick to facilitate her murder. That alone is worth s desth sentence to the womsn who rsised nick since he was 12

I'd seen actress Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio long before Grimm -- like, in the courtroom drama "Class Action" with the great Gene Hackman, or in "Robin Hood Prince of Thieves" with Kevin Costner and Morgan Freeman -- but I completely forgot that she was in Scarface, the legendary 1983 Brian de Palma movie about Cuban-American gangster Tony Montana and the 80s drug/cocaine trade.

I watched Scarface again for the first time in many years tonight, and I almost fell out of my chair when youthful "Kelly Burkhardt" appears as the important character, Gina Montana, Tony's baby sister. I'd completely forgotten she was in it!

Mary Elizabeth is pretty stunning and sexy (see photo #1) in the movie, and her typical, trademark curls are huge with an extra big 80s-style blowout (see photo #2).

(No wonder some viewers thought that Tony Montana was incestuously half in love with Gina; he certainly obsesses over her a lot.)

Photos 3 and 4 from after 1983 and Scarface but are still from the 1980s. She's gorgeous there, too, with a blinding smile.

Photo #5 is from the 1990s, I think.

Photo #6 is her as Mama Grimm, circa 2012 or 2013.

Photos 7 and 8 are of actress Olga Votsis playing a young Kelly Burkhardt (or Mary Elizabeth) on Grimm on the night that Kelly sent Nick away with his Aunt Marie.

Coincidentally, I just re-watched this episode recently. (Synchronicity, S3, e17.) And I was struck by how much Olga Votsis' voice resembles that of MEM. I mean, almost identical! (Maybe MEM did a voice-over?? The voices seem that identical!)

I was also struck by how much the actress looked like young Angelina Jolie and, more importantly, by how well the Grimm Hair and Makeup department nailed the trademark Mastrantonio hairstyle, particularly the 1980s version of it. Nice job, Grimm crew!

Since Mama Grimm is too tough, serious, and deadly to ever smile on the show, I thought I'd share photos of the actress who plays her so that you can see her gorgeous smile and how beautiful she is. Or was. When not decapitating people that is, lol.

PS - I bet some younger Redditors have never seen MEM from back in the day, so you might want to watch some of her other movies. (Alan Rickman is awesome in Prince of Thieves and is reason alone to watch it!)

So, I’m doing my umpteenth rewatch and got to Bad Moon Rising, which I enjoyed as an episode because of the Hank factor—but MAN the Coyotl ritual is just beyond creepy. I know the show gets pretty dark at times but that one was especially gross. I’d love to know what episodes you all find the creepiest and why. Edit: reworded to avoid potential spoiler.

I hate the main story in "The Good Soldier" (S3 E11)(murders relating to a gang rape in the military) so much that I always fast forward passed those scenes, and I simply watch ones involving the Grimm Gang.

The reason: the smug, entitled, gaslighting, ass*ole rapists are unbearable.

While there are a few other episodes that I also FF through the bits not involving the Grimm Gang, The Good Soldier is pretty much #1 on my list.

What episodes or story lines are like that for you? And why?

He constantly goes up against wesen and throws em around but he's not a grimm. And he doesn't struggle against em. Obviously he lost once but other than that.

Rewatching the show again. Just got to when juliette burns the trailer down. Even on your rewatch, does it still make you incredibly mad that she did that? Because it still makes me mad 😂😂 all that knowledge lost lol

Does anyone else cringe or shout out when the Grimm gang eats greasy fries or hamburgers right over the books? It happens so often: Hank or Nick passing ketchup or fries as they read; Wu being awfully close with that soda cup by the pages of an ancient, priceless, one of a kind manuscript, or scooping up more fries as well? (How about when they just sorta carelessly heave the books around in the basement of Rosalee's shop?)

I don't know how many times I've seen this series but it never fails to make me twitch when greasy fast food shows up around those beautiful books. And, after all this time, I still occasionally shout out "Nooooo!" at the TV screen. I can't seem to help it.

(Of course, I guess it didn't matter in the end for the first set of Grimm books since assh*le Juliette torched most of them... 🙄😤)

I really have enjoyed Grimm up until now, but I've decided to quit the show.

I've been posting here a lot (sorry about that!) because I've been genuinely enjoying discussing the show with you guys. My husband doesn't watch it, and neither do any of my family or friends, so it was so nice to be able to talk about it. But this will be my last post.

Spoilers ahead!

I've decided to quit the show because of Nick being raped by Adalind.

If the rape had been handled properly with Nick's friends and family rallying behind him, supporting him, and helping him process being violated like that, then I would've been much more okay with the storyline.

Instead, absolutely no one gives a shit he was raped or even acknowledges it was rape.

Even worse is that Nick ends up in a romantic partnership with his rapist.

I sort of accidentally learned Adalind and Nick end up together when I joined this sub a while ago. I was looking forward to seeing how that played out. I love a good enemies to lovers arc.

A rapist to lover arc is something that just shouldn't happen. It's nauseating. It's wrong also, just so so wrong.

I won't be continuing with this show. I'm saddened to see how many of you are fine with this plot. Rape culture is alive and well.

I'm sad because I really liked this show. This disgusting plot has completely ruined it for me.

I'm re-watching til this ep. Juliette revealed her Hexenbiest to Nick. Next day, he said "I love you" to her without daring to look into her eyes. Really, Nick?

Being a detective, he did not have much time for her (remember the ep where she helped Monroe and Rosalee decorate for Xmas and shared that she and Nick don't do this as he often needs to be on job?). Then being a detective and a Grimm, less time and got her in more dangers (her life has been threatened several times). Yet she still loves him, and has been joining him in his dangerous journey.

Adalind is such a bitch, put Juliette into a coma and a lot of troubles ensued from this, then impersonated her to sleep with her man. Despite that, Juliette accepted to "be" Adalind and slept with Nick just to get his Grimm back. (But yeah, that bitch will finally get to be with her man 🙃. So Nick is like it's hard to accept Juliette being a Hexenbiest despite everything she's done, but okay he will accept Adalind later on despite everything she's done 🙃).

I know Juliette will give a hand in killing Nick's mother later, but now she hasn't done anything wrong and he's already acting like an AH to her. Juliette's been so selfless, she doesn't deserve this.

I watched this show like 10 years ago and couldn't hate on Juliette. I've forgotten a lot of details but by re-watching, I know why now, although I'm much more mature but the feeling is still the same. I really feel sorry for her. She could have been living a much better life if she had left Portland back then, for good.

Season 4 spoiler - >! I liked Juliette as a Hexenbiest. I thought the actor's performances were good, I found her to be a relatable villain. I found it ironic that the others felt able to forgive the captain who was possessed by Jack the Ripper but not Juliette who was possessed by a Hexenbiest.!<

If you were in her shoes and your partner came to you and told you he was a Grimm and told you about all the things he knew would you believe him? I never understood why she didn’t believe him in the beginning especially after the Big Foot episode and she said something along the lines of “what if the stories are real”. I mean he had the trailer with all the books and stuff so it’s not if he didn’t have some sort of evidence of what he was talking about. She just out right thought he was crazy and said he needed help

Envision life from her perspective.

Imagine: you’re a loving, supportive, drama free girlfriend. Your live in boyfriend is a cop and you support him in all he does and go out of your way to help your friends in anyway you can. Your boyfriend has faced some significant losses and has no family so you create a space of calm and normalcy and adapt to the challenges and changes of his life and embrace it as it comes.

In the midst of trying to help him and your friends who are in danger you agree to undergo a ritual that turns you into the demon witch (hexenbiest) that has wrought a lot of destruction in your, your bf, and your friends lives.

This change brings about more than you bargain for and all of a sudden you become a demon witch (hexenbiest). You try to figure out a way to return to a human only to figure out its futile, you attempt to embrace it though you are bitter about the life you’ve lost. You make some bad/hurtful choices and in the end, hope for someone to end your misery only to have that rebuffed.

The demon witch (hexenbiest) that brought about this misery then rides off into the sunset with the man you spent years loving and supporting along with the child that is a result of her assaulting him.

This all after you are transformed into some strange emotionless automaton. Not the life you envisioned for yourself at all.

Adalind and Nick were a way better pair than Juliet and Nick ever were

The actor's chemistry was better, their relationship was built over time, they had passion and the enemies to lovers trope was great. They just seemed like their love was so much more genuine.

I don't know how many times I've rewatched Grimm and laughed, actually out loud, when Sean Renard introduces the stunning, barely-older-than-he actress Louise Lombard as his mother, Elizabeth Lascelles.

He introduces her, sees the common reaction of disbelief at her youth (and gorgeousness), pauses less than a beat, and coolly adds, "She's had some work done...." 🤭

The delivery of lines on this show by Sasha Roiz is as impressive in its comedic timing as all the ones we love from Wu and Monroe.

PS -- Hexenbiest leeches, a spell, or something else, Louise Lombard was a fantastic choice for the role of the supreme Hexenbiest beauty who could seduce a king. She's been eye-catching from youth.

I gotta start by saying I love how Nick ends up with Adalind, from the moment Nick killed her hexenbeist I shipped them, I just can’t forgive Juliette for everything she did…. But…

Did they really have to nerf Adalind so much just to make her suitable for Nick? Like come on! She was so badas in the entire show with or without powers, so resourceful, so strong and then all of the sudden she is just this helpless damsel in distress at the mercy of Nick’s help.

I get that she couldn’t stay the “evil witch” but she being so helpless is so out of character… it would have been great to see Adalind as herself (smart, resourceful, strategic) but this time on the right side.

Anyway… end of rant 😅