r/formuladank BWOAHHHHHHH 3d ago

Off-tro🅱️ical “Checo is a legend!”

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

Link me an article saying Perez is good

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

Nah, I'm not going into a link battle with you. I'm sitting here expecting proof, real proof, from you that Red Bull's car was better than the rest of the grid, and you sent me a link from Ted Kravitz?

Yeah, no. At least sent me one from someone who has a background in engineering like Bernie Collins.

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

You send me a link saying Red Bull had an equal car. From an engineer.

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

Like I said. I won't go into a link battle with you, much less from reporters, journos, vlogs or whatever.

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

So how would you explain Max winning almost every race in 22 and 23?

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

Because Verstappen is an excellent driver. There's no secret sauce to it. He is the best.

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

So why wasn’t he winning the same amount of races in the second half of the season?

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago

Because they're different races with different tracks and changing weather! Cars don't act the same in Silverston like they do in Miami or Montréal.

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 18h ago edited 17h ago

They won those races last year. Would you say their car got worse or did the other cars get better? It’s a leading question. Cars change all the time. They get upgrade packages and sometimes they work better than expected. If cars are being upgraded and changed they aren’t equal. If Red Bull was dominating all these races and other cars have been closing the gap, the gap existed. The longer regulations stay the same the closer the gap gets. Red Bull had the best car. Others closed the gap this year. 2025 will be the tightest year for manufacturers performance. Come 2026 they reset.

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 17h ago

Red Bull had the best car.

How can you prove it had the best car? Just because Verstappen was winning it doesn't prove that Red Bull had the best car, that's specious reasoning. In the same vein, how can you prove that Williams' car wasn't a total drag or that Sauber was actually good? You can't because we don't have a common denominator in all cars: the same driver.

If by some miracle Verstappen drove every car in every race then we would have a clear answer to our query. Besides, you postulate that "Red Bull had the best car" then it was the car who won the WDC, not the driver. You see how that's illogical?

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 17h ago

So was McLaren the fastest car because they won the constructors?

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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 16h ago

No because the WCC isn't about having the fastest car but earning the most points in a season.

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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 9h ago

So we are agree there are faster and slower cars and drivers. You don’t like that Perez finished 8th in arguably the fastest car. You want something more than qualifying times and race performance to prove Red Bull had the fastest car. I thought it was common knowledge Red Bull has had half a second on every car but you want telemetry proof to accept this but won’t provide proof of your own.

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