r/facepalm 'MURICA Aug 28 '24

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ i'm speechless

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u/MagusUnion Aug 28 '24

That implies that those states are self sufficient. The red states have some massive deficits in their budget and state level GDP. So they are more dependent on the Fed that their politicians would ever admit.

So it makes more sense to divide the country based on political/cultural blocs instead. Because if anything did happen to the US Constitution to dissolve the Union, these conglomerates would need to be formed in order for the individual statehoods to still have a pragmatic sense of order.

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u/FattyLivermore Aug 28 '24

Definitely, your comment is more accurate. You have no way of knowing I have a Cascadia flag hanging on the wall just behind me, lol.

I live in a donor state - my federal tax dollars don't come back to my state, they're welfare for the aforementioned red states. The citizens who receive those tax dollars never miss an opportunity to proclaim their deep hatred for my state.

I'm just rambling now. You are correct.

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u/Spider95818 Aug 28 '24

Gratitude is just another one of those "Christian" values which they ignore.

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u/FattyLivermore Aug 28 '24

Lol because there's Christianity as described in the new testament and then there's the "christianity" of small town America. Not sure I've ever met an actual follower of new testament Jesus but if I have, they were probably homeless.

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u/Spider95818 Aug 28 '24

And if not, they were driving the cherry-picker.

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u/Hungry-Western9191 Aug 28 '24

They know. No one likes to know they are living on someone else's charity. Especially those who make a virtue of their supposed self reliance. The only thing I can offer to make you feel better about it is that taking the money is something which gives them major self loathing which they project as hate of the donor states.

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u/eyefartinelevators 'MURICA Aug 28 '24

No they don't. They are the first one's to complain about where their tax money goes when their tax money doesn't even cover their state's expenses. You vastly overestimate their intelligence

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u/AimlessFucker Aug 28 '24

I’m in a donor state and I still hate where my money goes; namely bombing children in a foreign land for a country that isn’t even our ally.

(And before I get any comments about Israel, they commit more espionage against us than Russia and China. And are the only country we give foreign aid to that does engage in espionage against us.)

I could think of dozens of other things to fund rather than $3000/each coffee mugs for the military industrial complex, and a several billion dollar to trillion dollar bail out whenever big corporate risk takers flunk out and redline.

Also, I’m still angry that my tax dollars get wasted in ways keeping people from attaining access to social programs, rather than being used to drive efficiency. There are ten thousand blockades to obtaining services that could be autorenewed, or set up much more efficiently.

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u/Hungry-Western9191 Aug 28 '24

Well there are certainly some who are just dumb along side those who have just been told what to think and havent questioned it. I still think some of them resent having to live cap in hand for a handout and resent it is necessary.

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u/Back6door9man Aug 28 '24

I think its pretty reasonable for people in any state to complain about where their tax money is going if they're in a fairly high tax bracket. Regardless of how their state is doing. Its not exactly their fault the government can't seem to figure it out and they're still likely paying more than their fair share. Of course a lot of the people you're talking about are not in those tax brackets and are, in fact, not paying that much in taxes compared to many others. So I do get your point and I don't think you're wrong necessarily. Just pointing out the nuance and fact that living in a broke ass state doesn't mean someone's not paying their fair share.

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u/FattyLivermore Aug 29 '24

You don't have to make me feel better lol, I'm fine with it. The self-loathing part makes sense and does give me a better understanding.

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u/Hungry-Western9191 Aug 29 '24

As the old saying goes " walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you start a fight, that way you are a mile away from them and they have no shoes"

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u/Spider95818 Aug 28 '24

Seriously, the most irritating thing about listening to red state white trash whining about California and New York is that their shithole states would collapse in a week without blue state support. Fuckin' welfare queens....

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u/sparkpaw Aug 28 '24

The only exception to that being Texas, but Texas is certainly not short of its own plethora of problems.

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u/Spider95818 Aug 28 '24

The power grid that's apparently run by the Amish is a nice touch. 😆

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u/sparkpaw Aug 28 '24

Hey now, those horses did their best!

Lol but for real. It’s amusing until the reality of how many Americans died that winter, in a first world country, when any neighboring state would have done more for them. So yeah, Texas can float itself economically - but it’ll eventually kill everyone doing so.

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u/Big-Summer- Aug 28 '24

It’s why I wish we could split into two countries. Let all the ignorant idiots live in states that help no one and control everyone and let the rest of us have a democracy that cares for its people above all else. I know, I know, it’s utterly unrealistic. But a girl can dream.

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u/Spider95818 Aug 29 '24

I'd certainly rather see California taxes go to help people escape the Bible belt than keep propping up their failing economies.

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u/SkiMaskItUp Aug 28 '24

I live in Oregon, which consists of 1 city where 90% of the people are. The rest basically nothing going on.

The rest of Oregon wants to break off from the population centers, liberal places, the rest is red.

Even though theres literally nothing going on in rest of the state and it’s all paid from state taxes

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u/FeedMeRibs Aug 28 '24

Bro, our "red state" has a 5 million dollar+ tax surplus. What's Cali sitting at?

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u/AdequateOne Aug 28 '24

California is the firth largest economy in the world with a GDP of $3.9 trillion. Where does your red state sit?

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u/FeedMeRibs Aug 28 '24

It's not that high on the list, but it isn't bottom either. What's CA's deficit currently?

39.7 billion lol. Great economy!

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u/rsmith524 Aug 28 '24

California pays about $500B in federal taxes and only receives $170B in federal funding, which means we’re essentially donating $330B annually to prop up dozens of failing red state economies. That amounts to nearly 10x the entire state budget deficit per year. So California’s economy actually generates a massive surplus, which is how your state gets financial assistance.

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u/dzhopa Aug 28 '24

Tell me you have no knowledge of economics without telling me you have no knowledge of economics.

Hint: a deficit at the state level, or the federal government level for that matter, is not the same as household debt.

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u/FeedMeRibs Aug 28 '24

Hint: I never said it was.

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u/dzhopa Aug 28 '24

You certainly implied it when you tried to use the deficit as a measurement of the strength of the economy.

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u/Spider95818 Aug 28 '24

LMAO, and where's your state on the world list, hmm? Top 10? Yeah, thought not. Might want to keep silent and leave some doubt next time, fool.

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u/Rubeus17 Aug 28 '24

California also has one of the biggest economies in the world so its issues are more complex and much bigger than most lightly populated red states.

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u/Rubeus17 Aug 28 '24

7 of the 10 states requiring the most federal funding are red states.

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u/Pretty-Concentrate33 Aug 28 '24

Having a " surplus" is no great brag if your state goes out of its way to avoid funding schools, mental health care, feeding children, etc. Unless you are at least a millionaire, you are just another worker bee buying into the idea that honoring a social contract is somehow enabling laziness. The 10 commandments are a social contract and Jesus said something about " what you've done to the least of these, you've done to me" but there's no love like conservative Christian hate.

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u/ManipulativeAviator Aug 28 '24

Sounds like socialism - surely not !? 😂

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u/Background_Guess_742 Aug 28 '24

Out of the top 10 states with the biggest deficits only 2 are red states.