I just talked to someone who kept going on about how business owners take risks. I don't know why tipping culture didn't pop up in my mind. Businesses create so many BS ways to screw everyone and benefit themselves, fuck the risk involved. Pay your fucking workers a living wage. And if you can't, then you're running your business wrong or something in your lifestyle is gonna have to change.
Almost like there should be laws against the firing of people for no reason, and against tying healthcare to employment and it being unaffordable otherwise.
And realistically there are zero protections for business that go under. Unless itâs a massive company, bankruptcy restructuring isnât even an option. And there are no other business safety nets.
If youâre risking personal assets youâre an idiot. Zero protections? What are you talking about? Youâre protected from having personal assets seized when a business goes under.
If you didn't start in middle class or higher, it is not realistic, unfortunately. The % of Americans in lower and middle class is within a few percents of each other.
The % of americans defined as lower class (fknancially) has been increasing, and the middle class was more, the middle class has been shrinking.
If you actually look at the comparisons, the cost of living has increased faster than income rates. And that raises the entry point of what would be a middle class life higher and higher.
Failed to grasp what? That thereâs people in low income jobs? Wow I never knew that, gosh thanks for sharing this mind blowing information with the worldâŚ.theres also people that start with low income jobs that start businesses, work harder than youâll ever know, put everything they have on the line, scrimp and save, beg and borrow to make those businesses succeed. They then become ârichâ because they took responsibility for themselves and took risks over and over again, sometimes gambling everything they own to succeed!but hey! Why donât you just believe whatever is told you to youâŚyou know like being gullibleâŚ
Didn't expect to have to spell it out to you, but I guess you're even more of an idiot than I gave you credit for... You claimed that 'Workers can walk out any time without repercussions'. What the f do you think walking out of a job would do to a family that's one paycheck away from being in debt?!
If owners had to pay their waitstaff/bartenders at least minimum wage and there were no tips in the US, the employee and the customer would get fucked over, not the employer. Prices get increased to cover the cost of raising the wages to minimum wage so the employee makes way less and the better ones leave for higher paying jobs (which they donât want or they already do that) and the customer gets saddled with bad wait staff. The owner would actually make out better but Reddit can never figure it out.
Really riling up the Europeans this morning (or your afternoon). What works elsewhere doesnât always work everywhere.
Cost of stuff goes up. Rent goes up. Buildings have to be maintained. More restaurants move in nearby and cuts into business. Sometimes, prices have to go up but it doesnât always go into profits. Owners know that raising menu prices isnât good for business but sometimes, it has to be done.
The prices only rise in the sense that the tip would be mandatory rather than "optional". It would also solve the issue of people not leaving the "optional" tip I always see people whining about.
Oh no, employees would leave for higher paying jobs! How awful. Better fucking stop that, those god damn employees, moving on to better opportunities! Fuck those employees!
The customer gets saddled with whoever the employer is employing. If they have bad wait staff, they have bad wait staff. Hire better staff that can do the job properly rather than basically "employing" self-employed workers putting on a show.
Countless places around the world manage this, yet, apparently, the US would just fall into chaos if paying staff was mandatory.
Oh, and you can also still tip if you want to and it will actually be optional.
The prices only rise in the sense that the tip would be mandatory rather than âoptionalâ. It would also solve the issue of people not leaving the âoptionalâ tip I always see people whining about.
Then people would complain of higher prices. You people want the prices to stay the same but the owners to just pay out of their own profits, which are so razor thin that it would put the business under and then youâd complain that your favorite restaurant closed. Not to mention dozens of people would be out of a job.
Oh no, employees would leave for higher paying jobs! How awful. Better fucking stop that, those god damn employees, moving on to better opportunities! Fuck those employees!
Where do you think theyâd go? Theyâd flood the next level up and plummet those wages because all of the sudden, thousands or more people would want those $15-$25 dollar an hour jobs.
The customer gets saddled with whoever the employer is employing. If they have bad wait staff, they have bad wait staff. Hire better staff that can do the job properly rather than basically âemployingâ self-employed workers putting on a show.
Better wait staff wonât want to work for minimum fucking wage. Pay attention. Of course, things could get so bad in your scenario that the amount of minimum wage jobs would skyrocket because wages across the board would plummet.
Countless places around the world manage this, yet, apparently, the US would just fall into chaos if paying staff was mandatory.
What works elsewhere doesnât always work everywhere. The United States has a lot of flaws but some things we get totally right. Europeans love their healthcare but a lot of medical advances are being made by the system in place in the US. Imagine what advances Europe could make with a similar system.
Oh, and you can also still tip if you want to and it will actually be optional.
Cool. Thanks. Not many would. Judging by all the Europeans that bitch nonstop about American tipping culture, I doubt they do much, either. But again, elsewhere/everywhere.
But the prices aren't higher, the tip is just included. Not tipping is frowned upon so logically, most people will be paying the same. It's an educational problem if they can't understand that $100+20% tip is the same as $120, optional tip.
Oh no, more competition! Isn't that what the US is built upon? Ignore that, better keep the poors poor.
Wait-staff are fine everywhere else where they're just paid a wage. In fact, they can also still be tipped, so there's your excuse for them to be nice. That you can't imagine people just being nice and trying at work unless their income is reliant on it says more about you than anything else.
There's really no reason it wouldn't work in the US, unless your resteraunts are that poorly ran and people aren't making enough to eat out unless it's at the expense of the staff.
Imagine what advances the US could make if so many people weren't bankrupt and dying over issues everywhere else views as trivial.
And many do tip. My partner actually works in a restaurant as a chef and around 20-30% of her income comes from tips on top of her guaranteed wage, which she still gets if a bad month with no tips ever did come around. Again, that you think nobody would tip if people were paid properly says more about yourself than others.
As I've said, if resteraunts can't run without paying staff properly, they're ran poorly.
But the prices arenât higher, the tip is just included. Not tipping is frowned upon so logically, most people will be paying the same. Itâs an educational problem if they canât understand that $100+20% tip is the same as $120, optional tip.
The listed price is what people look at. Business practices in the US do dumb stuff like make gasoline prices $2.9999. So people see that itâs in the $2 range when itâs actually $3 per gallon. Thatâs why a lot of places have things that are $29.99 instead of $30. Visual attraction might be a term for it. If youâre selling your chicken dish at $16 plus tax but the other guy is charging $13 plus tip plus tax for the same plate, people will opt for the $13.
Oh no, more competition! Isnât that what the US is built upon? Ignore that, better keep the poors poor.
Eliminating tips in America would make the poor even more poor. How do you people not see this?
Wait-staff are fine everywhere else where theyâre just paid a wage.
There are a ton of differences between the US and the rest of the world. Letâs try to fix things that are broken here in the US and abroad that actually matter before we attempt to change a system that owners, employees, and 85% of customers donât want changed.
In fact, they can also still be tipped, so thereâs your excuse for them to be nice. That you canât imagine people just being nice and trying at work unless their income is reliant on it says more about you than anything else.
Iâve been to Europe about a half dozen times and have eaten at about 80 different restaurants and most of them have just basic service. Iâm always super polite (Iâve even been mistaken for Canadian on more than one occasion and I donât look like a Canadian at all) and I still get meh service usually. A few servers have been very cheery and pleasant and try to go out of their way for me but I think thatâs because they know Iâm more apt to tip than the usual customer.
Thereâs really no reason it wouldnât work in the US, unless your resteraunts are that poorly ran and people arenât making enough to eat out unless itâs at the expense of the staff.
If tips get eliminated, a lot of people will make lessâŚ.dramatically lessâŚ.and wonât have money to spend on the economyâŚ.like eating out at restaurants. Again, what works elsewhere doesnât always work everywhere.
Imagine what advances the US could make if so many people werenât bankrupt and dying over issues everywhere else views as trivial.
I donât like the insurance healthcare system here but itâs undeniable that medical practices and medicine have skyrocketingly advanced with this system in place. And THE WORLD is better off for it. So, youâre welcome.
And many do tip. My partner actually works in a restaurant as a chef and around 20-30% of her income comes from tips on top of her guaranteed wage, which she still gets if a bad month with no tips ever did come around. Again, that you think nobody would tip if people were paid properly says more about yourself than others.
Again, what happens elsewhere doesnât happen everywhere. Unless there are very special orders, chefs donât get tipped in the US.
As Iâve said, if resteraunts canât run without paying staff properly, theyâre ran poorly.
In the US, everyone would lose out if tipping culture went away. Staff would be paid less, customers would pay more and get worse service, and owners would see a decline in business. The only Americans that complain about tipping are cheap assholes and morons who canât do 4th grade math. Europeans seem all up in a rage about it though and itâs super fucking weird.
Youâre just pulling stats out of the air. I donât think Iâve ever seen someone argue from their ass quite this much.
If you canât afford to pay employees a living wage and healthcare, you have no business owning one. I audibly laughed when you said employees donât want higher wages. And customers would complain?? Oh no!! For a luxury service where youâre being waited on so you donât have to cook food yourself?? OH NO!!
Restaurants are failing all over the place in this economy, and itâs always been a volatile business to open in the first place. No one is shedding a tear for your local Applebeeâs franchise, if a small business closes, itâs because they failed, not because ânobody wants to work anymoreâ.
I truly cannot stand people that fight for this collapsing system the US and the idiot citizens that buy into, STILL.
Youâre just pulling stats out of the air. I donât think Iâve ever seen someone argue from their ass quite this much.
Iâve never EVER met anyone who complained about having to tip waiters instead of having it rolled into the price of food. Only place Iâve seen it is on Reddit where itâs mostly Europeans and dumb kids that refuse to lift a proverbial finger to think about entry level percentages. Then again, I donât associate with assholes outside of Reddit.
If you canât afford to pay employees a living wage and healthcare, you have no business owning one.
Minimum wage isnât even a âliving wageâ so by your definition, a shit ton of businesses should just close up shop and send the economy in a whirlwind dumpster fire. And forget about adding affordable healthcare, lol. Christ what a stupid point youâre trying to make.
I audibly laughed when you said employees donât want higher wages.
I never said that. If tipping went away, staff would be paid less. If a waiter can average $30 an hour on tips do you think for one second that a restaurant owner would pay them an hourly rate of $30? Every sentence you say is dumber than the previous one.
And customers would complain?? Oh no!! For a luxury service where youâre being waited on so you donât have to cook food yourself?? OH NO!!
Usually people complain when they get worse service than what theyâre accustomed to. Especially when the price will either stay the same or rise in price. lol, what the fuck.
Restaurants are failing all over the place in this economy, and itâs always been a volatile business to open in the first place.
So letâs fuck it up by getting worse service and raised prices? Fucking genius!
No one is shedding a tear for your local Applebeeâs franchise, if a small business closes, itâs because they failed, not because ânobody wants to work anymoreâ.
And a shitload more will close if Brainiacs like you get their way.
I truly cannot stand people that fight for this collapsing system the US and the idiot citizens that buy into, STILL.
It just takes a bit of understanding of the problem to see that âfixingâ it would be the thing that collapses it. I truly cannot stand people that fight for changing something that isnât broken and want things to actually get worse for everybody.
Youâve shown that youâre incapable of understanding basic nuance regarding basic non-problems so please, take offense when I ignore you because reading your inane dreck is embarrassing and responding to it is even more so. Thinking you have an idea for a solution to a non-problem is hilariously embarrassing. Go worry about actual problems that actually might affect you wherever you live.
Ok, letâs explain this to you. Say you have a job! Okay? You decide to move companies! Okay? You give your notice, if required! Okay? You following this? You work your notice and then move jobs! Okay? Then explain what repercussions there would be for you? BTW do you know what ârepercussionsâ mean?
âBossesâ risk their homes, reputations, livelihoods and more! Workers can walk out anytime they like without any repercussions.
And that's simply not true at all. People NEED jobs and people end up putting up with being treated like shit and having no flexibility for their personal life just because they would be homeless without an income.
Youâre missing the point completely! I know full well that you need job to be able to live, but I also know that you are free to change jobs without any repercussions! If youâre in a job and decide to move to another job in another company, give your notice if required and then move what repercussions are there? Please point them out to meâŚâŚ
Yes, that is true but people need to be able to line up another job that will pay their bills. Many times people aren't able to do that and are forced to put up with a shitty work environment. Saying people can just up and leave a job without repercussions is absolute bullshit.
I didnât say people could âjust up and leave a jobâ though, did I! obviously anyone with a modicum of intelligence would find an job or alternative income before leaving their current job! Come on, be an adult and admit youâre wrong and move on with your lifeâŚ.
No, you didn't say they can up and leave, you said they can walk out at any time (direct quote) but I'm not seeing how that difference really matters. And I understand what you are saying but I still think your wrong. Your whole notion is that people can just "walk out anytime" for a different job without any repercussions. And while that is essentially true, you have to ignore reality for it to be true. Many people don't have the option of just getting another job so there is absolutely no way to leave without repercussions making your statement untrue. This also means that they are forced to accept shitty pay and bad work environments because they are so dependent on that paycheck. Many employers even realize when they have an employee in that exact situation where they know they don't have the option of leaving.
People are not saddled with debt if they walk away from their job, they can just go get another one. Maybe not easily, but there is no burden placed on them for leaving their job.
People are saddled with debt if they start a business and it fails. It's like a student loan with nothing to show for it.
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u/EmeraldDream123 Aug 28 '24
Suggested Tips 20-25%?
Is this normal in the US?