r/facepalm • u/flyingcatwithhorns 'MURICA • Aug 28 '24

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ i'm speechless

Post image
25.9k Upvotes

87% Upvoted

7.7k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

488

u/vrcvc Aug 28 '24

i don't understand, are people not paid by their bosses so they need tip or what?

in eu we are normaly paid and we don't get tips, like i have my salary why do i need to get angry over not getting bonus money...

323

u/PlausibleTable Aug 28 '24

They’re paid, but at a lower wage. In some instances they do not even make minimum wage without the tip. Meaning they can be paid as low as $2.13 an hour by the employer and the rest of their compensation is based on tip.

38

u/Spirited-Arugula-672 Aug 28 '24

In some instances they do not even make minimum wage without the tip

Isn't the employer obligated to cover the difference, if the servers don't get enough tips?

43

u/Kckc321 Aug 28 '24

Yes, but the full minimum wage (depending on the state) is still so low you’d basically have to be so bad at your job to not make that much in tips that they’d just fire you

0

u/laplongejr Aug 28 '24

Also, the awful truth is that some customers won't tip some workers the same as others, if you get what I mean...
If you don't : a nice young white blonde will get more tips than a black, tipping culture is bascially legalizing pay discrimination

-5

u/Spirited-Arugula-672 Aug 28 '24

Seems like a total non-issue then

9

u/Rugfiend Aug 28 '24

Until you realise the national minimum wage in the US is around $7 an hour

3

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

So yell at your legislators, not your customers. 

4

u/Rugfiend Aug 28 '24

I'm lucky enough to not live in a backwards 'everyone for themselves' country like the US. Our minimum wage is double that, and tips don't get factored in to the calculation.

2

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

You can't exactly compare minimum wages between countries 1 to 1, cost of living is a huge factor in that. 

2

u/Rugfiend Aug 28 '24

That is certainly a factor one should consider. Except the cost of living in the UK is around 8% lower than in the US.

-1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

There is not a uniform cost of living across the entire US, so this is another false equivalency. 

4

u/Rugfiend Aug 28 '24

Dear oh dear... And I suppose you imagine that there IS a uniform cost of living across the UK? Or could it be - just maybe - that the figure is based on (gasp) national averages?

1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

I'm not the one trying to draw generalized claims that one country is cheaper than the other.

Why are you being a smartass? People can't just have a normal conversation here, can they?

Edit since I cant reply to the below:

How have I been a smartass?

Also I was just having a conversation with someone - who's "losing an argument"...?

-1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

Also I am not finding a confirmation of your claim, in fact I am finding plenty of sources that the cost of living in the UK is higher than the US. 

1

u/Rugfiend Aug 28 '24

Interesting. The first 5 results of my search say otherwise.

1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

How are those gas and energy prices, eh?

→ More replies (0)

2

u/[deleted] Aug 28 '24

It is, because it's way lower. The national could be $7, but tipped be $2.

5

u/guff1988 Aug 28 '24

It is an issue though, like a real issue for people who are really trying to pay their bills. The server might only hit minimum wage shortfall one week or two weeks out of the year but they still need to pay their bills those weeks lol.

-3

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

Then don't accept a job paying that low...? 

8

u/[deleted] Aug 28 '24

It's take the job paying that low or don't have a job at all for a vast majority

-6

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

Should have made better life choices then

11

u/SwagMasterBDub Aug 28 '24

This kinda take is always so wild to me. Like, in addition to being callous, it’s disconnected from reality. Not everyone can be a CEO - the economy literally needs laborers, waitstaff, etc. to keep functioning. No amount of “better life choices” changes that.

-4

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

You don't need to be a CEO to exceed minimum wage... 

6

u/SwagMasterBDub Aug 28 '24

Way to miss the point.

-1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

It seems you have missed the point if you think the only upgrade from waitstaff is going all the way to CEO. 

→ More replies (0)

6

u/[deleted] Aug 28 '24

My friend went straight from high school into post secondary and got a diploma and had to take a job like that. What choices could he have made better exactly?

1

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

Sure, and then what? He stayed there forever? What did he do to advance himself? 

1

u/[deleted] Aug 28 '24

He got his diploma, and then immediatly stareted looking for a job. The only places that even responded were ones that paid almost nothing.

0

u/When_hop Aug 28 '24

Sure, same with me. 15 years later I've worked my way up to a full time remote job making low six figures. 

→ More replies (0)

1

u/Kckc321 Aug 28 '24

Well the true federal minimum wage, which some states still use, is genuinely unlivable anywhere in the US by a very wide margin. That’s part of why servers don’t necessarily want to get rid of tips. They generally make more than minimum wage with tips. But it’s still one of the lowest paying jobs that exists.