Honestly, this was someoneās argument when they said they were pro-life. When I asked how many children they have adopted, they said āIām not the one who brought them into the world. Itās not my job to raise themā.
āThe unbornā are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they donāt resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they donāt ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they donāt need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they donāt bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.ā
I have a family member who is militantly pro-life who actually DID adopt 3 kids. She also is an abusive, narcissistic nightmare who wanted their SSI funds, so thereās thatā¦
This argument has never sat right with me as MANY of the ultra Christian right fighting abortion would love to adopt those babies. Emphasis on the baby part, as there is significantly less interest in the older children who fill the foster care system. Theyād love a healthy (preferably white but not necessarily so) baby who they can homeschool and indoctrinate into their beliefs. After all not everyone in the quiver full movement can physically pump out a dozen kids, the next best thing is to adopt.
That doesnāt make abortion bans right. The mother has to risk her life, possible have her career suffer, and then be put through the emotional hardship of giving up the child. And many choose not to even if they canāt support the child in the way they want to. Implying that itās good enough to adopt is ignoring that they would also need to pay for health care, social services, child care, better public schools, housing, etc as well as vote for paid maternity and paternity leave so that mothers could choose to keep their babies and not traumatize both parties. Even then, there is still the risks and pains of pregnancy that they have no way of undoing.
"Why should we care? They are alive, they should work to get what they need, just like I did! If they can't work and get money by themselves then it serves them right, fucking communist babies."
As a person in Texas who plans to adopt, I really wish they would put a better regulation in place to make it easier. Right now it sounds like it will cost an arm and a leg and will take forever.
Yeah, the same Evangelical Poverty Tourists that the government sends to Central America as NGOs to help prepare the region for the future. The guidance is to teach family planning but conservatives have made sure the NGOs don't have to follow the plan when they don't agree with it. So they preach having more kids to help around the farms and shops...then bitch about invasions when the parents send them to the border to find a better life.
According to Barna Research, practicing Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt as the general population, with 5% of Christians adopting compared to 2% of the general population. Christians are also more likely to foster, and are nearly three times more likely to consider foster care than the general population.
So yes, Christians are over 2x more likely to adopt, but I think this peaked about 10 years ago.
I wish pro lifers would protest the genocide in Gaza if they cared so much about saving children's lives.
I wish they would protest outside gun shops and the NRA with pictures of survivors and deceased victims of shootings like Sandy Hook (Connecticut), Uvalde (Texas), Columbine (Colorado), Parkland (Florida), Covenant School (Tennessee) etc.
Was it Jordan Klepper who interviewed these three women holding pro-life signs if they could adopt some of the babies given up...there responses were exactly what you'd expect.
So you're saying it's better just to kill the babies?? I'm just a normal guy and I think both you pro lifers and pro abortion folks blow things out of proportion. Texas had 380k birthday last year. Even if 1000 instead of 6 babies were abandoned that's still 0.2%. it's nothing the systems that are in place can't handle. Can we bring politics back to the middle based on logic?. This article isn't news and is just click bait. People need to go outside and touch grass, because this is not a big deal.
There are far more couples looking to adopt healthy newborns than there are available healthy newborns. These babies, assuming they're healthy, will be quickly adopted. Newborn adoption is a huge business in the US. The agencies and lawyers make bank. It's legal human trafficking.
My wife and I would gladly adopt a child or 2. We tried for 10 years to have a child and finally gave up before my son was born. I want him to have siblings, so adopting is 100 percent on the table for us, and I am pro-choice while still believing in pro-life. While I think no state should have a say over what's going on, I believe you are killing a baby and shouldn't do it.
I won't pretend that I have all the answers, and I will not pretend that I stand on some moral high ground, but couldn't they have the baby and put him/her into adoption?
Still connects the baby to them. Also requires going to the hospital for the birth, and well, US medical system..
The moses laws help but only if you can get to a hospital. The sort of woman in this sort of situation often can't afford to.
Making abortion illegal doesn't affect abortion rates much. If you want fewer abortions you need robust welfare and free birth control-the latter actually saves the government money over not offering it.
If your dad raped you and you get pregnant, you have to have his consent for adoption. You canāt just adopt a baby out without both parents knowledge unless you leave it at a Safe Haven spot.
seems like 1 is quite a lot too little. need to up those numbers significantly.
oh let me guess? "you don't have the resources to adopt them all" and suddenly you can imagine leaving them abandoned just like the mothers you otherwise judged here.
The cost of adoption is expensive as hell normally. The average cost of adopting a child in the United States isĀ between $20,000 and $45,000, says the Child Welfare Information Gateway from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.Ā
Iirc the state gets money for those kids in the foster care system. But yes, also that. That's why I fucking hate when people like Musk say have a lot of kids when we already have kids needing fucking parents.
We looked into adoption right before my son was conceived and adoption cost is stupid. The average cost of where we are was like 35k.... I was baffled because so many people are willing to adopt but why is there such a higher cost tied to it?
Can you I.agine the kind of people who would line up to adopt these kids if the price was $0. It's a frightening thought. $35K makes it so only serious people apply.
Realistically, it makes it so that average people who want children canāt afford it. I donāt think most adults could afford $35k to adopt a child, and they shouldnāt have to
Iām agreeing with you; the person I responded to implied that lower adoption costs would lead to children being adopted by pedophiles and traffickers
My uncle and his wife were willing to adoptā¦had the money, had their house evaluated. When they got to the agency they were told even though there is no age limit to adopt, you are too old, they were in early 40s. How many hoops do they have to jump through? They eventually gave up on adoption
I am not saying make it zero. But 35k is absurd. The state doesn't need to pass every fee, etc, etc on. The reason it cost so much is because of all the vetting they supposedly do. So even if the fee was say zero, the state is still vetting the homes. They are just passing all the cost onto people that would love the chance to raise a child.
That is a stupid analogy. I don't have 85k let alone 35k in cash on hand. Loans for a vehicle or boat as you say are two different things. If you put aside 600 a month, general car payment, it's like 6 years to get to 40k. This is a very dumb comparison. There is no reason to charge 40k for adoption. If they want to put children in loving homes, the state should do better than "Let us pass every little cost we can to you" step they take.
I do say so because it's just ignorance on your part. You gonna tell me you have 85k on hand right now in the bank? I've got just over 10k myself so if you have 85k please tell me what you do for work and how you are managing it. I work a full time state job supporting my family at home.
There is always a way if itās important to you. I didnt come on here to compare bank accounts. I just hate the clickbait title that claims abortion laws are causing women to throw children in the trash.
Those are rarely babies. Most children in foster care are older, often not the right look, have issues that most parents have zero interest in, etc. Foster care adoption is not expensive and often has multiple programs ( not just the state and federal tax write offs) to reduce the cost down. A quick Google search and Ohio official website showed the cost was barely anything. Private adoptions of newborns is what is expensive.
They aren't. Go to an adoption website and if you aren't overwhelmed and depressed by page 3 then you may not have downloaded the human emotions DLC yet. Kids older than infants, kids with disabilities, whole families of kids that want to be adopted together, and a billion other scenarios that will ensure they aren't chosen for a better future.
adoptuskids.org has 239 pages x 15 results per page of kids looking to be adopted and that is a drop in the bucket.
People that would rather kill babies than see them adopted are down voting my comment. You should be mad with the trash that would throw a human being in the trash not someone who wants to save them. Are yall that evil?
Sir, I work with individuals of all ages who have severe disabilities. Hereās what I can tell you, everyone wants to adopt the easy child with no health issues. But the kids with already noticeable disabilities, and high health care issues get left behind. Iāve seen people adopt a kid and then change their mind and abandon a child thatās already been abandoned. I would love to live in a world where every child that came into this world was wanted and adored, but weāre not in that world right now. However if you have such strong feelings about it, then I would strongly encourage you to become a foster parent and help provide aid to a system that is already overwhelmed.
I completely see your point. I know there is an issue but blaming some abortion laws for someone throwing a living human in the trash is sorry. Use a rubber, birth control pills or something. Dont say rape, thats a whole different issue.
I see your point, but thatās also arguing from a position where you have been provided sex education. There are multiple schools in Texas that do not offer comprehensive sex ed, and promote abstinence only. And unfortunately this is going to be something that continues to happen, and I hope for locals of Harris Co that they start doing PSAs about surrendering children to the fire department.
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i hope the pro-lifers are ready to adopt some of these babies!