"Why doesn't she get all made up like this when she's boxing? Only looks like this when she's out of the ring and going to events? No other women put on tons of makeup to look their best when they go out. Clearly faking it."
What she is really saying is, "How dare she not gender conform in the way I see right an appropriate, also even if she did I can never be wrong so she did something wrong."
"I once wrote outstandingly successful books that were pretty popular before some woke minded peopled dared to attack the narrative because of some of my conservative and outdated attitudes shimmering through an entertaining story.
But now the story is finished and I'm rich, but I really miss the level of attention I once had as an author. So instead of creating relevant books, I try to be relevant by showing engagement in an emotional topic, where I use my former fame and my financial independence to speak so loud and clear, that I can't be ignored. At least I hope so and so far it works.
I see myself as a hero and by getting harsher towards my critics, I can slay the imagined dragon of wokeness day by day before breakfast. Like Harry I don't fear to say what others regard as unspeakable. I'm sooo proud of myself and I rub it into your face, just for reassuring myself."
It’s disappointing how Harry Potter taught generations of kids to be inclusive and the fandom started as a safe space for all the weirdos and outcasts only for JK to out herself as a bigot.
As I already wrote: search for "Shaun" and "Harry" on youtube and you will be well entertained but also astounded, what was already in her books. I still like them, but I was also a bit shocked what I didn't question when I was reading them long ago.
You get everything explained in the source I mentioned. No prior knowledge needed. Short version is: morality is lacking in many layers of the Harry Potter books. It's not so much about what you do as a character (mobbing, having slaves) more about if you belong to the one team or to the other. Rowling introduces threads in her narrative, that simply appear and disappear, wich is funny in parts (timeturner topic), but also anoying in other parts (single persons recive help, others in the same situation not / stability of the system, even if it is a bad system rules, and so even systemical problems don't get adressed, only persons in positions within the system get exchanged). Shaun ponders the question, if this is due to her lazyness, or also because she wants to send a pretty conservative message and even wants to send out f*ck off messages to annoyed readers. He tends to believe the second option, being fair in his argumentation, but also critical. Listen to the podcast episode, if you want to know more, but in the end many character tendencies she shows today in social media, were already heralded by her Harry Potter books and also by the ones she wrote afterwards.
I didn’t have the words to explain it before but that’s exactly it, thank you. It’s not just not famous anymore celebrities either, I know several people in real life who do exactly this. Except they were never relevant but are just desperate for attention.
As much as I think she's showing herself to be a spiteful hateful person, I doubt she cares what us poor people think, I don't think she's in her mansion or w/e drying her tears with $100 bills as she reads people comments about what people think of her or she probably would have stopped by now. She might be siting in a gold tub filled to the brim with the reheated tears of all the people she's hurt while sipping 100 year old wine doing what ever totally not evil things she's planning on doing next.
She wrote a screenplay where a magic deer picking the next head of state was treated as a more valid form of government than elections. I feel like that reflects her genuine worldview…
Success needs a wide audiance. And people tend to like what they know with an additional twist.
So you are absolutely right: she wasn't that innovative at all. She was just the one author, that by talent or chance somehow used the right formula and right ingredients at that time, to be flooded with cash.
A exquisite wine is likely far better than Pepsi or Coke. But the latter sell more.
Has she even written any other books besides Harry Potter and that one unnamed addition to it? I know I could just google the answer, but I genuinely don't know, and I'm curious if other people do either.
"I once wrote outstandingly successful books that were pretty popular before some woke minded peopled dared to attack the narrative because of some of my conservative and outdated attitudes shimmering through an entertaining story."
Not that it really matters, but she is still pretty active in writing, having written a successful series of crime novels under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith, which a successful television show based on the books ran for 5 seasons.
She can't write relevant books. I love Harry Potter but there is so much evidence that she stole books 1-7. People think the only one she actually wrote herself without influence is the last book and it was the weakest one.
I just think, that she is not into the topic of gender in the first place. She just needs the attention she got used to. And since her old sources ran dry, she now took that gender-train from platform 9 3/4.
I think she is just to desperate to stop that shitty behaviour of attacking more liberal minded people instead of leaving them alone and solving her own problems in a more constructive and meaningful way.
Now you can decide if you want to readjust your like. But thanks for upvoting in a case of temporary doubt. That doesn't seem to happen very often on Reddit. 🙂
I don’t downvote once I’ve upvoted. It’s like Indian giving. We’re adults we can disagree.
But I don’t think she was ever in the public eye as much in America she was basically unknown to us until like the 3rd movie and she never seemed like a spotlight chaser. I remember when a lot of fans got mad at her about making dumbledore gay. Then the fans she seemed to be championing turned on her for her other beliefs. I read her tweets from that exchange and in my objective opinion she stated her opinion which I don’t know enough to really comment about but the the fact that biological women are different from transitioned women isn’t necessarily an opinion, by that I mean the other part of what she said, that’s an objective fact. I understand that it upsets some people to acknowledge it or have it mentioned but it doesn’t make it different because you want it to be.
She seemed to me at that time to give a respectful if not rather churlish response. Then she was demonized and vilified. People thought the words she said were justification enough to send her address out, where her family was…I honestly have a live and let live mentality and I think some people took her comments out of context then because they wanted to be offended and make an example of her. But dropping location on her family home? That’s more than words, they could have all been killed. Is a difference of opinion or of how you want facts presented worth that?
I respect several of your attitudes a lot, without agreeing with everything you said, but ... as you wrote ... we are adults and that's more than fine. Same about Rowling: I don't expect her to have the same opinions like me, but I ask myself, if she really wants to contribute to a social discussion in a way that helps sorting things out, or in a way that just adresses her own needs in the first place, no matter the colateral damage she creates. Same with Musk and his public statements about his trans daughter.
Yes, there are differences between trans women and non trans women in my eyes. Like there are differences between Asian and African people. Or between Men an Women. Between people from rural places or urban areas. But there are also similarities between these groups and differences within each person, related to time and circumstances. And the big question is, how we discuss both, differences and similarities, without loosing contact to reality but also without deforming it by overemphasising certain aspects. And what is the goal? What the cost? What the benefit of such statements?
I wouldn't claim that she always searched the mass media spotlight. But I'm pretty sure, that she felt important, even if not everybody who liked the books had a strong opinion about her from the beginning. Like I'm pretty sure Dick Cheney felt quite important without being in the front row all the time. And to know you have written one of the most successful book series ever, that millions of readers crave to know what will happen next while you are (the pretty conservative) decision maker (listen to 'Shaun' on youtube about it, if you like) in this world, while people speculate if you own more money than the Queen of England, must be quite thrilling. And that's fine.
But after being in such a position, especially when the initial success fades and can not be simply turned on by pressing the light switch again, many people would look for a new option to get that kind of ressonance or personal feeling back again. And she had so many options to get that. Charity for example. Pushing young authors. What so ever.
But she decided to go into mud wrestling and use her big name, to rub her private positions into other peoples faces. Often in a harmful way or at least in a harmful experienced one. And if she didn't wanted to create such reactions, she could have simply learned and stopped and focus on something else. But it seems like she searches that situations again and again. Commenting without obvious personal need, no matter the possible consequences for others. And that looks pretty selfish to me.
I might be wrong. But from my POV she just decides to go into battles with people, who didn't ask for her opinion or that battle experience. With people who are often more vulnerable than her. And I don't like that. I can't stop her. But I can say, that this is not the role model behaviour that I (like millions of other people) like to see in our societies. It's not about cancelling her. It's about questioning a very loud voice that made her point but decides to continue shouting. And to give reassurance to those, who might feel threatened by loudspeakers like her.
I agree with you on several points for instance she doesn’t have to engage in mudslinging or peddling her views on twitter. She could be contributing to society in way more beneficial ways. But on the same token so could we, yet we are engaging in this discourse which probably won’t contribute to the public good. As a person who isn’t a billionaire I’d say it’s more detrimental to society for me to spend my time in this particular arena than her, considering that my gross contribution to said society is demonstrably less than hers by any metric you could use. Another point, I don’t know that she isn’t a charitable individual who is doing just that, contributing. Because I don’t know her, she writes under a pen name now, maybe she makes charitable contributions the same way. I don’t know, but I refuse to assume the worst because of my lack of knowledge.
Another point is the way that Elon or JKR or whoever feel about trans people or anyone isn’t actually hurting anyone physically. Which is kind of the point. I she and he have their opinions. When you hear a loud minority of people become essentially rabid to point that they can handily dismiss the objective reality, that the words they say as long they aren’t purposefully inciting violence against or riots to the effect of causing harm to people in those group which to my understanding, they aren’t. They aren’t causing harm by voicing an opinion. Saying that they are in order to make a more compelling case for silencing them in tantamount to lunacy if not being unconstitutional to the degree that if it were another country you’d say that it’s a human right violation. You can’t invent violence in order to control people speaking their minds. It’s wrong.
Third, you seem to be basing a lot of your arguments against her speaking about specific topics either on assumptions as to her character or your lived experience. I also think that she doesn’t care what a lot people say because she’s rich. I don’t agree that she is chasing the limelight. Because she’s still really famous and has a lot of power. Also a lot of Hp media is incoming. Like the series on hbo max and the game that’s coming out. She retains full creative control. But I think that because that’s how I’d feel. I’m basing that on my liver experience and my personality. Not hers. I don’t know her so I can only speculate. Which I believe is fine. It’s fine until you present and opinion based on something she wrote ( it’s hard to determine content or humor from text) online.
I want you to know I hold you in the highest respect.
This is simply my opinion on the cause of a lot of the dissenting opinions on this lady who at the end of the day is a human being. Just like us, and she’s essentially touted as an effigy and crucified at will as an example of what will happen if you don’t conform to popular opinion.
Thanks for the time and energy you invest to share your POV with me and others in a place, where you easily can get some negative feedback for taking a position outside the local main stream. And doing this in calm and good faith always deserves bonus points in my opinion.
So I will keep considering some of your thoughts troughout my day.
Just in one point I'm pretty sure, that I will not agree to: Responsibility for potential harmful action, especially as celebrity.
When somebody like Musks expresses his pain about developments within his own family by publicly framing it as death of his son, caused by a woke mind virus, he comes pretty close to patterns of igniting a kind of rage, that we have plenty of bad historical experience with.
Like something attacking/destroying innocent children/women. Something, that is not human. Something that is contagious. Invisible, deadly, sneaky, potentially everywhere. Something that must be fought with utter vengence. Something that must be exterminated for the protection of our loved ones or the weak ones, who need us as their dragonslayers.
Don't you fear that such narrative patters, told to millions of people and so also to at least some hundreds who might already be pre-radicalized in their thinking or behaviour, couldn't ignite or seemingly legitimize even more extreme actions? At least normalize ways of thinking, that should be rather contained in a civilized society? If so, then they take a great risk by uttering such personal judgements.
Again: it's not about taking personal experiences away from Rowling or Musk or others. They are humans like us in many ways. Including the shiny and shady parts. But if they promote certain views in a certain ways, they might become more easily co-responsible for bad developments or extreme behaviour of others, than if you or I talk like that on the social media. In these seems to be a relevant topic for me. More, than a waste of time. And no matter how much they have contributed to society in other areas.
They enjoy more power and freedom than us and that's ok. But they have also more responsibility about how to wield those tools/weapons. And with Rowling, Musk and some others I have my doubts about their capacities to restrict themselves a bit more or at least questioning their own motivation enough to let them position their views in public without people putting their disagreement next to it.
'Member when she said she supported the trans community? Wasn't even that long ago. Oh and even Musky Husky says she should talk about something OTHER than trans issues.
If you want to find out, why it's not her books on the one side and her character on the other, than search for "Shaun" and "Harry" on youtube. It's quite entertaining to realize how much of her character was already visible in the way she wrote the books.
"That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it."
Just like no evidence of Obama's birth certificate was ever enough. JK doesn't want to be wrong. She will move the goal posts as far as she needs to to not be wrong
Another interpretation could be "I am concerned at the normalizing of situations where people who were not born female are able to take advantage of their physicality over other athletes who were born female in athletic competition". Why this view is attacked so harshly is quite worrying in all honesty.
I'm sure Joanne would be amenable to allowing us to see her DNA tests. She goes by J K. And she lives in a country that doesn't kill transgender people. Far more likely she could be a man. I don't know, it sounds fishy to me
Robert Galbraith is not just a random man’s name. He was one of the pioneers of conversion therapy, essentially torturing gay people so they would stop being gay.
Tbh she's definitely said some shit that's eggier than a food fight at a vegetarian convention 🐣
"The writings of young trans men reveal a group of notably sensitive and clever people. The more of their accounts of gender dysphoria I’ve read, with their insightful descriptions of anxiety, dissociation, eating disorders, self-harm and self-hatred, the more I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred."
As if it's typical for young girls to crave the presence of a beard and penis to fix their OCD.
If only there were other online communities offering just as much friendship and sympathy out there...?
I remember when she released that letter and everyone was screaming transphobia but it was actually pure misogyny with lots of transphobia heaped on top.
I am on mobile so can't quote directly but she basically in her letter reduces male-to-female trans people all to deviants wanting to invade women's space, while at the exact same time she reduces female-to-male trans people into ignorant, naive, brainwashed little girls who didn't know any better.
And in the responses I read to her letter, which rightfully so talked about transphobia, almost no one seemed to be reflecting on how a large amount of her transphobia stems from her hatred of men and her inability to separate the two groups.
She doesn't care about "women pretending to be men" only "men pretending to be women." Like a lot of anti-trans folks, it's all about protecting some ideal of femininity from being encroached. "What if that hot, feminine-looking woman WAS BORN WITH A PENIS!!!???" is all they fucking care about.
Assholes like you think you can identify women accurately, yet I’ve twice been accused of being in the wrong bathroom when I’m so damned female that I have a sweet pair of DDs, and multiple issues with my girl plumbing like endometriosis, PCOS, uterine fibroids, and ovarian cancer (to the degree that I had to have all of it removed with a hysterectomy), yet don’t have the most feminine facial features. I’d pass any stupid test that you could run to prove that I’m a woman (my husband regularly enjoys my breasts and vagina, but get DNA, hormone levels, driving license, birth cert, whatever you’d like) but there’s something about my jawline or cheekbones or SOMETHING that makes pieces of shit like you bold enough to tell me that I should leave the women’s bathroom or security will be summoned. Joke’s on you because I’m exactly where I belong, and neither of those women apologized for being shitheads. Fuck anyone who thinks they have cracked the code of what a “real” woman looks like.
As for the Italian boxer who was crying about being hit in the face in a sport where the whole point is to be hit in the face, she’s known for claiming that most fights she’s been in aren’t fair for one reason or another, and has quit matches in the middle when it’s obvious that she’s going to lose to a superior fighter. Good job siding with that whiner as your only proof that “that thing” is actually a man (and your hateful language is abhorrent, referring to a female athlete as a thing).
I've honestly been wondering this, if JK took a DNA test and found out she was XY, would she publicly come out as a man? Would she say she should no longer be speaking on women's issues?
Here's something to think about... JKR has some deep seated "not like other girls" thing stuck up her ass and kind of hates women? There's only like 20 named women in all of HP. 7 books and 100+ male characters.
Every girly girl is either portrayed as annoying, inept, or evil. Women are incredibly objectified and stereotyped, the only positive ones are:
-Know it all tomboy
-Tomboy sister hopelessly in love with mc
-Stern matron
-Airheaded manic pixie misfit
-Mother who sacrifices themselves for kids
-Mother who was cool then sacrifices themselves for kids
-Mother
-Kooky loser no one else respects.
Even the short term love interests were all kind of thrown under the bus for doing "girly" stuff like having friends or wanting to go on dates. Ew.
Weird how the only way to be a worthwhile female in her books is to eschew femininity and basically do whatever the boys want or go full mom to take care of them.
How does she write such a male focused pubescent fantasy with so little empathy or interest for female characters...
I consider her as a positive mostly because she does genuinely care for Harry and the gang, and technically has a legitimately powerful and unique talent ... That she has no control over and is barely even aware of. That said, she does try to step up for the gang when needed, despite the general suckage.
You do make a good point about her traits because those set her apart from "the other girls." You know because JKR would NEVER let a normal woman be important in the story.
Was she the high jumper? Just curious cos I remember thinking "WOAH THAT'S BRIGHT RED LIPSTICK!! is that allowed? Wait, why do I care? I don't. Moving on" 😂
It’s so sad because she went by “J. K.” instead “Joanne” because books written by female authors were far less likely to sell… so you’d think she would have a deep understanding of discrimination, bigotry, and how it feels to be shamed for “not belonging” in a certain space because of appearances…
And then she says this sh!t.
I also heard she thinks trans people take away from the experience of womanhood or some ish like… girl, no.
Especially now when you’re just being a plain, boring old-school mean girl to some woman you’ve never met.
Maybe if she spent more time writing actually strong women characters, she'd know wtf strong women look like. All I can think of every time she's like "I'M A FEMINIST" is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire where the all-dude school comes in all badass, and then the all-women school is this fluttery bullshit where the first thing we see is a zoom-in on their asses. Then the one and only female competitor fails literally every test and needs every dude to come in and finish the test for her. And I'm like good job Rowling--I shouldn't be able to write better female characters as a dude than an actual woman, I feel like you're really fuckin' up if that's where you're at.
Nobody send this secret lesbian a picture of any WNBA athlete not in the uniform, please. She's a billionaire and she's obsessed with other women living their best lives.
Please don't find this person's contact information and send them pictures of WNBA or any other female athlete in street clothes to their personal inbox. Please don't do that. Please don't do that to JK Rowling.
I hope the Judge calls it a hate crime and offer J.k either do two years or 2 rounds in the ring with her (if she would be happy with that punishment but let's say she is for the sake of a light hearted joke)
Edit - typed it on a slow phone which made it read as if I was drunk. Fixed before I am actually drunk.
But also when a black woman (I believe Sha-kari?) was hyper-feminine with lashes/nails done during her competitions the right said she is not taking the sport seriously 😒
One would argue that even tons of make up you can't make someone look good, so I guess PR campaign is the solution 🤣. I dont look amazing but I don't need to make my face like a picasso drawing for the sake of it, but hey to everyone their own.
I think by This Moron he meant That Moron, with That referring to the book lady, or possibly himself, or me? - anyway it’s obviously too complicated to really ever know.
Paraphrase: a restatement of a text, passage, or work giving the meaning in another form.
From Merriam-Websters. So, how does what the original comment, which stated that they were paraphrasing her in a facetious way to begin with, not meet the definition?
Well he normally gets around in male board shorts and tshirts. And suits even from the before publicity to the Olympics. You people wind yourselves up over stereotypes.
Some women wear heels. Some don't. I'm not sure what the point of the question is or if you're trying to insinuate that this person born with a vagina is a "guy". I haven't seen a picture of her in heels. I have seen pictures of her with and without makeup. I have seen her in both feminine and gender-neutral clothing. I have seen women and girls wear shorts and t-shirts.
Point of the question is this. If you think a man wearing heavy make up and feminine clothing is female, from a stereotype point of view you are being hugely misogynistic and regressive. At best it’s cultural appropriation. If you say to me as a woman that a man is a woman because HE SAYS SO / and BECAUSE he’s wearing heavy make up and feminine clothing, then you are being hugely misogynistic on two fronts. Regressively expecting women to only be valid in make up and feminine clothing; and for the humongous insult of telling me that I don’t know what it is to be a woman. That I have no lived experience. That the ONLY MARKER you will accept is the word of a man and the clothes and makeup he is wearing.
To have a man say to me as a woman that this trivia is all that makes up being a woman is at the heights of misogyny. Saying that it is only our appearance that matters.
This person could solve this entire fucking argument by having a mouth swab to see whether they actually are male or female. It’s pretty obvious why this is not happening.
She would if she was asked though. Nobody needs to ask because she isn’t displaying male musculature, masculine face and a penis showing through her shorts. It’s not uncommon to ask for tests since the Chinese, Russians and previous West Germans were continuously doping athletes.
You must be. She’s saying why go through the whole campaign when you could just show the public a dna test that say hey I’m a woman.
Why would you purposely misunderstand something that’s really simple like that ?
What the hells wrong with you?
And why are you all hating on this lady?
Are you a man? Because men where I come from don’t put others down for a differing opinion. Nor try to tear down a person’s character or name call because they don’t like being said. See they have clan rallys in the south. While I hate what they stand for I don’t visit violence on their person nor shout them down. Me and mine go about the business of living our lives. We let the people who think we are mongrels live theirs. Simple and plain.
Ok why put on makeup then? If she’s comfortable with what she looks like why attempt to feminize herself more to prove what she already knows?
I’m not saying she’s not a woman I don’t know or care really. All I was saying was it’s kinda shitty to shit on JKR when she’s basically saying: Here’s a low effort solution to shut all of the naysayers up.
What the fuck are you talking about once again?
This is the first time you’ve said that to me.
Could you please take a break from the goofballs and blow ?
I never said she owed me anything.
I said people are being a-holes to JKR for a simple comment that may not have been her genuinely trying to helpful.
And here you come in all caps.
What do you have main character syndrome or something?
Get your head out your ass and keep up with the convo you fucking basement dwelling, cap texter.
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It’s always someone who identifies as liberal and evolved that likes to start shit or be insulting. Considering that liberals are supposed to tolerant and inclusive to all peoples and creeds and even intelligence level, how are you one the person who thinks it’s a marvelous idea to call me an idiot because some unhinged lunatic CAPS texted me and I responded. Please enlighten me oh lord of academia who determines peoples intelligence quotient at a mere reading of a comment.
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u/IanTheMagus Aug 23 '24
"Why doesn't she get all made up like this when she's boxing? Only looks like this when she's out of the ring and going to events? No other women put on tons of makeup to look their best when they go out. Clearly faking it."
-This moron