r/collapze • u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. • Oct 18 '23

War bad Gaza hospital press conference after the bombardment (warning: cadavers) NSFW Spoiler

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

Heres the open source, if they had data/info to prove it was israel and not hamas. it would likely already been sent in

https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1714511864510476723#m

Edit: for context out side of this specific instance, this is a war and both sides will do propaganda/misinformation/disinformation, im not saying either is immune to being wrong.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Here's a post going through the misinformation that you mention: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israels-spin-about-hospital-massacre-quickly-comes-apart

listen to it, if you don't understand what you see.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

good find. is there an up-to-date followup?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Here's a fun video put together by AJ: https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/17bmzrl/was_the_gaza_hospital_attack_caused_by_a_failed/ from multiple angles, synchronized.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 21 '23

just released another update: https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1715527433930076402#m

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 21 '23

Did they discover more evidence?

No? Looks like they tried to walk it back and gave up, trying to look serious and concerned.

Such is war. Is this your time with media around a conflict? I've been through this shit since 2000 or so, but there were less video online (video costs a lot more).

Learn what sampling bias is.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 21 '23

with the amount of propaganda/misinformation/disinformation on both sides i think its the right move.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 21 '23

Yes. But that doesn't mean "50/50" something. We know that Israel sent warnings to the hospital before, and it's certainly not the first time that the IDF attacked a hospital or an ambulance.

What you're really seeing is media/journalists closing ranks to "believe together" certain stories so that they don't alienate their customers (advertisers) and audiences and their connections in government -- that requires a backbone. Journalists that go against official narratives can end up blocked from official briefings, ignored, or worse.

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-10-2023-who-statement-on-attack-on-al-ahli-arab-hospital-and-reported-large-scale-casualties

The hospital was one of 20 in the north of the Gaza Strip facing evacuation orders from the Israeli military. The order for evacuation has been impossible to carry out given the current insecurity, critical condition of many patients, and lack of ambulances, staff, health system bed capacity, and alternative shelter for those displaced.

An evacuation order is a warning.