r/collapze • u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. • Oct 18 '23

War bad Gaza hospital press conference after the bombardment (warning: cadavers) NSFW Spoiler

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u/Volfegan Oct 18 '23

- Israel did! How can they justify this disproportional response as an answer for a terrorist attack... children died. Innocent civilians were slaughtered and this is clearly a war crime. International law ... bla bla bla... Jihad now! Sharia up their asses!

- Hamas did.

- Oh OK.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 18 '23

Hamas did what?

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u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever Oct 18 '23

Nobody even claims Hamas did too. Israel claims Islamic Jihad did this because everyone knows there's no reason for Hamas to do this. Still I don't think Islamic Jihad has rockets big enough for this.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 18 '23

Yeah.

There are more bits of information in the original post comments, as you can guess.

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u/Volfegan Oct 18 '23

Video by Israel's Channel 12 showing the moment of the Gaza hospital explosion at the exact same time and trajectory where Palestinians fire rockets in close proximity

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 18 '23

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/17abgl1/hospital_press_conference_after_the_bombardment/ go look at the comments, they cover that too

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u/Volfegan Oct 18 '23

Islamic Jihad struck a Hospital in Gaza—the IDF did not. Listen to the terrorists as they realize this themselves:

- (IDF1): Did we destroy that hospital?

- (IDF2) No. The terrorists destroy it. It was scheduled to be destroyed next week by our missiles as they are helping the Islamic Jihad cause by treating their soldiers.

- (IDF1): Damn Hamas bombing our targets before we could. We must destroy Gaza before Hamas destroys Gaza.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 18 '23

I love that you think IJ has that kind of fire power. It's hilarious!

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

This thread is constantly updated about it. It really looks like Hamas launched a rocket from nearby and it malfunctioned and landed in the hospital parking lot.

https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049?cursor=EwAAAPAEHBkW0sK4ub_93sovJQISFQQAAA#r

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Hamas doesn't have that kind of firepower. You're really behind on the misinformation you're consuming, lol.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

Geoconfirmed has a good track record & its open sourced. it just cares about data. if you have data that says otherwise it will literally correct it.

edit: IDF tweet (maybe propaganda) https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714548529538953637

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

Heres the open source, if they had data/info to prove it was israel and not hamas. it would likely already been sent in

https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1714511864510476723#m

Edit: for context out side of this specific instance, this is a war and both sides will do propaganda/misinformation/disinformation, im not saying either is immune to being wrong.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

The fact that you have access to some information doesn't make it correct.

Listen the audio-video recordings, you'll hear it.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

feel like this is the spiderman pointing meme rn

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Go the the other link that I mentioned. Look for the recording with audio, like the one here: https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1714352303082271215 and then go compare the sounds.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Here's a post going through the misinformation that you mention: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israels-spin-about-hospital-massacre-quickly-comes-apart

listen to it, if you don't understand what you see.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

good find. is there an up-to-date followup?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

I doubt that there will be one any time soon. Conflict comes with waves and waves of information, deluges. Actual investigations would require a ceasefire and international experts getting in there to look for clues, analyze materials etc. Gaza is an open-air prison, more so now than a few weeks ago. People are trying to get out, not in.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 20 '23

Here's a fun video put together by AJ: https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/17bmzrl/was_the_gaza_hospital_attack_caused_by_a_failed/ from multiple angles, synchronized.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 21 '23

just released another update: https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1715527433930076402#m

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 21 '23

Did they discover more evidence?

No? Looks like they tried to walk it back and gave up, trying to look serious and concerned.

Such is war. Is this your time with media around a conflict? I've been through this shit since 2000 or so, but there were less video online (video costs a lot more).

Learn what sampling bias is.

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u/Kman1121 Oct 18 '23

the world continues to ignore our genocide

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u/Volfegan Oct 18 '23

Women and gay people do not have rights in Islamic dictatorships.

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u/Kman1121 Oct 18 '23

1) Palestine has no autonomy. Strange to call it a “dictatorship” 2)pretending to care about the rights of marginalized people while indiscriminately shelling them just kind of shows you don’t actually give a shit.

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u/Volfegan Oct 18 '23

I cannot sympathize with a place where my mother would be killed just because she worked alone to raise me, and didn't need a man to be subjected after my father died.

Brazil has lots of refugees from Libano and surrounding countries. People that fled because of terrorists. They like having rights here and being free of persecution by bullshit religion. They might not like Israel, but they sure don't like Islamic terrorists.

I had an emergency surgery last month. There was a very gay nurse there. I guess he would be killed in some Sharia bullshit if he lived in the Middle East Islamic dictatorship doing all that gay shit. In Brazil, he was just annoying.

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u/Kman1121 Oct 19 '23

this is a super weird rationale for justifying genocide.

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u/Volfegan Oct 19 '23

Not weird at all. Why people would care about places when they discover they themselves would be persecuted to death if they were there. Women living alone and doing anything they want? Not on Islamic dictatorships. I don't believe in gods or fairytales magic, so looks like I would die too on those places. Nobody cares about Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Niger, all doing more genocide than Hamas vs Israel.

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u/Kman1121 Oct 19 '23

I love the disingenuous argument that people suffering systemic ethnic cleansing for 70+ years might not be as educated and accepting as you are. Wonder why that is.

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u/Volfegan Oct 19 '23

And I think it is funny women and gay people giving support to places that would kill them if they were there living as they live now on free countries. History repeating itself. Women supported the Islamic revolution in Iran, only to discover they lost all their rights soon after the transition.

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u/Kman1121 Oct 19 '23

Yeah it’s almost like oppressed people the world over support each other. I also think you have a racist view of what Palestinians are like.

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u/Volfegan Oct 19 '23

The main political organization of Palestine are terrorist organizations that want an Islamic dictatorship like Iran. Not, it is not racist.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23

Bro the palestine PM literally indefinitely postponed the presidential election and parliamentary elections because of a rift between abbas and hamas. seems like a coup/dictatorship to me man.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Oct 19 '23

it is the nature of collapse that it happens to other people before it happens to you.

we watched the native people of hawaii burn alive and then afterward saw Armenia ethnically cleansed.

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u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever Oct 18 '23

Real pic?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 18 '23

It's a snapshot from a video, see the related thread for details. https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/17abgl1/hospital_press_conference_after_the_bombardment/

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Oct 19 '23

why did latestagecapitalism lock this?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 19 '23

Probably hit /r/all or something. You get those huge threads with thousands of comments, mostly bullshit, so the mods can't handle it.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Oct 19 '23

maybe........

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 19 '23

Here, an important bit from there:

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israels-spin-about-hospital-massacre-quickly-comes-apart

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Oct 19 '23

this only works because most people want to believe the propaganda.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Oct 19 '23

Most people want to believe comforting lies.

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u/rublindedbyfalseidol Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23

they wanted to blame Israel for bombing a hospital when it ended up being Hamas. so they locked the thread. they have a narrative to follow.Edit: this is a long thread about it. still seems conclusive it was a hamas malfunctioning rocket.

https://nitter.net/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049?cursor=EwAAAPAEHBkW0sK4ub_93sovJQISFQQAAA#r