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u/DJDickJob YourWettestNightmare Apr 11 '23
They're going to need that $750 to go towards building a shitload of more jails.
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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Apr 11 '23
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u/woolsocksandsandals Apr 11 '23
Can we get a tldr? That’s over 300 pages long.
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u/alwaysZenryoku Apr 11 '23
TLDR: shits fucked, yo.
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u/woolsocksandsandals Apr 11 '23
That’s not exactly an adequate summary.
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u/alwaysZenryoku Apr 11 '23
It. Was. A. Joke.
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u/woolsocksandsandals Apr 11 '23
Criteria for humor was not met.
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u/alwaysZenryoku Apr 11 '23
Yeah, it was. You are just a joyless mope.
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u/woolsocksandsandals Apr 11 '23
Not accurate.
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u/alwaysZenryoku Apr 11 '23
You wear wool socks and sandals and you have the temerity to lecture ME on comedy! How dare you!
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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Apr 11 '23
basically the idea is to build work camps for american refugees of climate change so that they can be supported as they labor to restore the economy they need to be self-supporting.
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Apr 11 '23
Do you really think these idiots would be half as organized and competent as the US Army?
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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Apr 11 '23
we ARE in the "find out" part of the cycle and and they DID loss the 2 previous "cousin wars".
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Apr 11 '23
Missouri charges you for you stay in jail, and will eventually arrest you for an outstanding balance. It'll be a never-ending cycle of debt and incarceration.
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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Apr 11 '23
i have seen r/homeless pople get arrested to get out of the weather.
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u/larsonbot Apr 12 '23
The fine just gets me. It’s clearly just to ensure that homeless people are imprisoned permanently because $750? If you’re sleeping on “public land”, odds are you don’t have that just at the ready.
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u/wtmx719 Apr 11 '23
Penalized with three hots and a cot? Thanks. Notice the government doesn’t mind to house you when they imprison you. All the money in the world for that.
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Apr 11 '23
Er... apprently in that shithole you have to pay to be locked up. And if you don't, guess what happens to you? Yep, they lock you up!
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
The half-assed ideology of welfarists. They don't think* being homeless as a problem, they see the lack of access to nice under-bridge areas and street corners as the problem.
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Apr 11 '23
What are you gibbering on about? Making it illegal to sleep doesn't only affect homeless people (though that is the obvious target). All of a sudden, falling asleep in the sun is a crime. As is catching forty winks on public transport. Or camping. Or any one of a number of completely innocent, wholesome activities that even these pigs wouldn't have thought to ban.
This law-happy legislative madness and uber-government overreach doesnt' only affect homeless people. It affects everyone. And it's all down to the type of asshole that votes in elections - do you know I've known people propose to make it illegal to eat in public? And I don't even live in America ffs.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 11 '23
I'm gibbering about social murder and structural violence. Legalizing sleeping under bridges is not a victory.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Apr 11 '23
Social murder (German: sozialer Mord) is the unnatural death that occurs due to social, political, or economic oppression. The phrase was coined by Friedrich Engels in his 1845 work The Condition of the Working-Class in England whereby "the class which at present holds social and political control" (i. e. the bourgeoisie) "places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death".
Structural violence is a form of violence wherein some social structure or social institution may harm people by preventing them from meeting their basic needs. The term was coined by Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung, who introduced it in his 1969 article "Violence, Peace, and Peace Research". Some examples of structural violence as proposed by Galtung include institutionalized racism, sexism, and classism, among others. Structural violence and direct violence are said to be highly interdependent, including family violence, gender violence, hate crimes, racial violence, police violence, state violence, terrorism, and war.
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Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
This is the problem with liberal "unicorn social justice activists":
By making the most oppressed a fetishized, unicorn-like "other" they make solidarity impossible, and by refusing to accept any social reform short of free unicorns for all because it's not radical and systemic enough, they ensure that oppression never lets up, even a tiny bit.
Obviously allowing people to sleep rough doesn't solve the problem of mass homelessness, but crackdowns like this don't only affect the intended victims. They affect all of society. This is why solidarity is vital - the tired, burned-out worker taking a nap in the sun will also be criminalized by this law. As will people with certain medical conditions.
Can you imagine the cruelty of a world where society's first reaction to someone passing out is to have them arrested?
How easily could you find $750? And how unjust is it to punish someone for going to sleep?
Governments and capitalists aren't only attacking the poorest and most downtrodden, though that would be horrible enough. They're attacking everyone's right to live in the world.
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u/theCaitiff Apr 11 '23
You're right, people shouldn't be sleeping under bridges, 100% agree. We SHOULD have better options to help the homeless that focus on housing first with no preconditions.
Even if we DID have that, this law would still be an assault on society for the way it criminalizes existing in public.
It's not half assed liberal bullshit to say that we shouldn't make people's lives worse. Fighting this law and hopefully defeating it won't be a victory because we want people to sleep under bridges, it will be a victory because the law was an assault on everyone even if we know it was only ever going to be selectively applied to attack the poor and/or enemies of the state.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 11 '23
Stop settling. This is how we lose everything, one compromise at a time.
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u/theCaitiff Apr 11 '23
Who said anything about settling? I want housing first AND to get rid of this bullshit.
And while we're at it, I'd like FALGSC too. That one's probably physically impossible what with entropy and all that, but dare to dream.
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Apr 12 '23
Actually that is the opposite of how things work.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 12 '23
I wish you were correct, but no. I mean, that's how the right-wing wins, if that's what you mean.
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Apr 12 '23
Tell me, out of all the countries that have had awesome totally radical revolutions with no compromise, how many have suffered genocidal consequences?
And of all the countries that have "settled" for some kind of democratic reform process, how many have not?
Not to say shit isn't fucked up, cos it is. And it is indeed a fine line to walk between unicornism and selling out.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 12 '23
We're in /r/collapze. The liberal system has failed, it has only protected capitalism. It's over, all trashcan ideology needs to be junked.
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Apr 14 '23
So what makes you so great? You're the one who says we shouldn't do anything, even when the government makes it illegal to sleep!
At least liberals get off their ass and do shit. Unicornists like you just sit on your butts and tell us we shouldn't do anything because nothing we ever do can be radical enough. Then they throw some soup at a painting or some bullshit.
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u/FlowerDance2557 🔥TEAM HEAT🔥 Apr 12 '23
You’re usually out there in the comments hitting shot after shot, expending that energy reading sources and being right all the time is something I greatly expect, but every once in a while you drop a take that makes me wonder if you have dissociative identity disorder or something.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 12 '23
I'm just tired at some hours, my patience bottoms out.
I find it depressing to see people trying to fight over crumbles when the energy should be going towards big moves. There's isn't infinite energy. This is hope, there's hope in the crumbles, and it's making it worse. The welfarists aren't there to fix the system, they're there to protect it. Here, from their own mouth: https://www.hoover.org/research/how-fdr-saved-capitalism
This incremental compromise bothers me a lot because I see it fail in time, a spiraling decay. It's the same flimsy foundation that led to banning of abortion in the US last year: shitty incremental legal baby steps undone in one serious blow, all because the ones who could've consolidated that at a fundamental level refused to do it (despite being liberals).
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u/FlowerDance2557 🔥TEAM HEAT🔥 Apr 13 '23
Ah I see. Well if you haven't already, for the sake of your sanity, I'd suggest abandoning any hope that the american people would rise up and overthrow their national neoliberal order, or rise up and accomplish anything meaningful in any capacity.
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Apr 13 '23
I meant crumbs, not crumbles, lol. But I guess they're similar words.*
I usually have net-zero hope. But somehow I still have expectations, especially from leftists, progressives, anarchists, scientists. That's when I get angry.
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u/RoutineSalaryBurner Apr 11 '23
Silver lining: Maybe people can catch cops and legislators napping on the job.