r/classicwow • u/chefboar7 • 1d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms From: Tank, To: DPS
You go at my pace. When you get into my group and start telling me that you are gonna AOE everything down. When I tell you to let me get hits in before you unleash every cooldown on your hotbar. You when give me shit for telling you to sit and let me pull mobs into the previous room. You're gone. Y'all are a dime a dozen. I may love to tank but when you literally ignore the mechanics of the game to get your min/max on you're making the game not fun for me or the healer.
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u/AppleMelon95 1d ago
I am starting to get sick of seeing people think they can direct messages towards their group members theough fucking reddit.
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u/Steezmoney 1d ago
also where are they finding all these shitty groups? is it just me who normally has great groups and the odd bad apple I just move on from and don't think about again
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u/jamie1414 1d ago
More like. If every group you run is a bad group then find the common denominator lol.
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u/fipdipwibble 1d ago
Lmfao yeah like wtf is this post. The need for brownie points and validation on this sub is asinine.
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u/JReddeko 1d ago
OP is probably the type of WoW player I hate the most in groups. Really bad and really toxic.
Makes mistakes and then blames everyone else.
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u/BadSanna 1d ago
Or.... And hear me out.... They're trying to reach a wider audience so they don't have to dm so many people.
Fucking wild concept, amirite?
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u/AppleMelon95 1d ago
What they are actually doing is that they didn’t have the balls to tell their group their piece of mind so they went to reddit and think they did some sort of vigilante justice by posting the thing they should be telling their group.
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u/deadhand303 1d ago
I've mained warrior tank since 2019 release. I can say, with utmost confidence, that my job in dungeons is to taunt mobs back into the blizzard. Mages are the real tanks.
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u/JickRamesMitch 1d ago
lol its christmas day why you trying to bring out the worst in people
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u/fryerandice 1d ago
the classic wow community would genocide each other if they could based on class and role
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u/Elephant040 1d ago edited 1d ago
As a healer, spellcleave groups are the worst. I’ve come to the point i don’t even join them .
Edit: Yes I meant melee cleave!
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u/Critical-Account-946 1d ago
Spellcleave is a free ride for healers though…. At least the ones I have joined. I just sit there a press power word shield and get free exp
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u/AmbitiousEdi 1d ago
A druid tank and 3 mages is my dream group as a priest
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u/IShitMyFuckingPants 1d ago
As a Druid tank this is also my dream group. BLASTED through dungeons while leveling in groups like this.
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u/fortuneandfameinc 1d ago
Pally and 3 mages is better.
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u/AmbitiousEdi 1d ago
Having done spellcleave with all the tank flavours, I'd rank them druid>paladin>warrior (for spellcleave specifically)
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u/TipItOnBack 1d ago
Every single spellcleave has been a disaster of 4 mages yelling at each other because they didn’t pull exactly correct and everyone wiped. Absolutely not healing melee or spell cleave groups.
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u/FredHowl 1d ago
You should see the last groups i had before i hit 40. Perfect pulls for hours and hours ❤ beautiful
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u/Elephant040 1d ago
Yeah I meant meleecleave. A good and synced spellcleave is a free ride as you say.
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u/Catolution 1d ago
Sounds boring af
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u/Plastic_general 1d ago
When everything in vanilla is boiled down to the most basic mechanic, it’s all boring. 1-40 players right click a sprite then stand still and press the one to three buttons that matter for their spec, pick up the glittery bits off the body, then move to another sprite, repeating ad nauseam.
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u/SeriousLee91 1d ago
No meleecleaves are the worst!
Did one run zf as palaheal with 4 warris all ravanger all deathwish all aggropingpong all berserkstance, no defensives and i had to drink full everypull.. instead of having one real tank... It would have been 5x faster because i dont have to spam my 20% mana heals every pull on global and pay 5g just on lvl 45 water in one dungeon run.
Did it once, will never join again
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u/jamie1414 1d ago
We're they trying to pull 6 mobs each pull? Melee cleave has very little reliable aoe.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
I always tip the healer if they are using real water and i always ask when they get into the dungeon if im planning on doing a cleave but i also usually hold all agro.
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u/Dahlgro 1d ago
From a tank to other tanks: it's also okay to lose aggro >sometimes< as long as the dps can handle/CC it!! no need to obsess about having aggro on everything as long as everyone is not taking mega damage!!
(I'm not saying to not care about threat but I feel like ppl can get too obsessed with having 100% threat on EVERYTHING instead of looking at it from the whole groups perspective)
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u/Jorlung 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not every DPS is braindead either. As a rogue, I will pretty much always pull at least 1 mob if I pop blade flurry, so I’ll only use it if I evasion up. No need to pull back off me in that case since the mob will probably die before it lands more than a couple hits. If stuff really gets hairy then I can just vanish.
If you’re running with a mage and you’re a tank, then your job is to just make sure the healer or other melee DPS doesn’t get aggro. The mage can handle themself.
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
Rogues are almost never the problem. If you rip aggro early in the pull due to adrenaline rush/blade flurry I can just continue doing what I'm doing getting sunders/revenges out to the rest of the pull so the ranged can aoe without pulling immediately. You're right there, I can taunt off you when I get back around to that mob. If they are hitting too hard, you've got evasion, etc.
It's ranged dps that are the worst when they are bad. From a tank's perspective, a good mage or hunter is an amazing asset in a dungeon, and a bad one makes it a nightmare.
And most rogues understand that if they pop adrenaline rush/blade flurry right off the bat they're gonna rip a mob off. They don't do it and then get mad that they got aggro or run away and vanish right next to the healer.
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u/asnwmnenthusiast 1d ago
Yeah nah, I'll just kick you if you're gonna act like a mouthbreathing drama queen just because someone isn't playing 100% to your preference. If someone is showing you how the game can be played more efficiently, how about just leaning back, staying humble and let yourself be carried? Tanks throwing a hissy fit because they're uncomfortable is so sad.
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u/ToeyGowd 1d ago
This sounds like the leader of a 3 hour strat UD group tbh
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u/Flexappeal 1d ago
35-45 year old dad; plays either male Tauren or male human warrior; show cloak; show helm; deep prot; manually marks all targets every pull by clicking the unit frame;
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u/Chaoticlight2 1d ago
Yep. I played during classic first time around and cleave groups were the best. No one wants to go one minor pull at a time when a semi decent group can cleave through multi pulls effortlessly.
I'll say this to OP and others alike. If you want to play X style, preform a group. Pairing with randoms means running the meta experience.
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u/ToeyGowd 1d ago
Yeah, time is valuable. I don’t have forever to play and don’t want to sit there slogging around one mob at a time because the tank doesn’t want to play their class efficiently. Tanks (any warrior) are also a dime a dozen, I think people that play in the way OP is describing are in the minority here.
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u/Headcrabsqt 1d ago
Actually it sounds like someone who beats the 45minute timer by 15min cuz he knows how to not waste peoples time
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u/fryerandice 1d ago
yeah if I am in a normal group and not pulling the GY boss in ZF in 10 minutes I am feeling pain, even with drinking at the lowest queue level it's 100% doable
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u/Fun_Age_2033 1d ago
This screams control freak to me. Control freaks may actually be the worst tanks
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u/The_ChadTC 1d ago
Meanwhile Paladins pulling multiple packs at a time with a rogue, a warrior and a hunter in the party.
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u/Headcrabsqt 1d ago
And dying
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u/The_ChadTC 1d ago
It's the healers fault.
No, I don't have any survivability talents. Just heal me.
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u/skycrab0192 1d ago
You won’t like to hear this and I’ll accept my downvotes. But all you’re really saying is these dps are outplaying you.
Good tanks try and keep up, and can actually hold threat from proper dps. Tanks that are bad hide behind the excuse ‘you go at my pace’. In actuality you just don’t know how to keep up with your dps.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
I will say though, obv its your group and you can do what you want but when i tank i swear i dont have any of the problems people say they have. Especially when we are all the same gear level. Maybe you should learn to adapt and up your own play so people can play as they want? No tank can hold agro vs a mage insta pressing blizz but anything aside from that you should be good, or at least i am. Im engi with mining, if i make a huge pull i throw a dynamite with charge sweeping-ww- cleaving/ demo shout. I never lose agro. Sometimes one will go by me but thats fine. At the end of pulls i pool rage so i can do the next pack easily. Imo your kinda being a bully to not want to change your playstyle for the good of the many, unless they are being ridiculous and pulling w/o mana or when you ask them not to for w/e reason. Isk whats happening in your groups so this might not apply. (Its christmas so lets be nice to me) 😭🙏❤️
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
The main gripe is fucking your los pulls before you group them and making you fight where you know a pat is coming
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
I never have that issue, and tbh i dont think you every really need to implement that but maybe one dungeon in classic.
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
If you don't think you should pull mobs and position them where you want them instead of charging into packs around blind corners, idk what to tell you.
Los pulling is really important in dungeons like scholo and BRD
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
But just charge in a use your aoe and kill them? Scholo is the only dungeon i would ever actually LOS though. And brd is level dependent. Maybe i do my groups diff with certain buffs that make mine easier? Idk
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
Charging into every pack runs a large risk of getting an extra pack.
It is less of an issue if you outlevel/outgear the content, but still more efficient to kill one pack at a time quickly then move to the next vs using all your healer's mana fighting 2-3 packs at once.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
If your a warrior wearing plate and holding all the threat your healers mana will be fine after pulling a double pack, around as least 30% if not more. I swear ima just make a video 😂, not trying to insult anyone but i swear i dont have these problems.
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
30% is too low. I generally get through 4-6 packs before my healer's mana gets that low. Less drinking = faster clearing. And you're also assuming there is no pat there to social aggro another pack, which would make it a triple pack.
You're not taking hits from 10-15 same level elites without running the risk of your healer going oom trying to keep you up. Especially without a shield, where crits and crushing blows are very much on the table.
Tbh it sounds like you've been getting carried by your healers. I've been tanking for years, accidentally pulling multiple packs due to carelessness is not something to brag about.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
But thats why you demo shout and kite them? If you have a mage you are not dying to a triple pack, if you have a hunter your not dying, if you have a shaman, another warrior even. Im not saying i have never died in a dungeon but there are so many tools you can use. Even just running away from the pack then intercepting to the farthest one is a strong tool for staying alive.
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u/Thriftless_Ambition 1d ago
Triple pack will absolutely wipe groups. Is it impossible to survive? No. Is it highly likely to produce a wipe? Yes. Is it easily avoidable and inefficient to risk it when you can just keep up a good pace pulling one pack at a time? Yes.
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u/coblenski2 1d ago
for real, it does seem like a lot of tanks are overly cautious and don't trust themselves. if you're deep prot you can easily hold threat on three+ mobs without even using engi or anything like that, which you should really be using anyway. taunt one, concuss one, then you got 2 more globals of sunder on a third mob before the taunt wears off. if there are more than three mobs either they are weak and can be AOEd or you can CC them.
I'm going healer for the first time this go around and I'm noticing tanks being sooo cautious, like ranged pulling each individual mob in RFK even when there's no real danger. I'm not saying anything though most of the time because it's their character and I'd rather that than a gung ho one who gets us all killed
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u/AskewSeat 1d ago
Using taunt as soon as you pull the pack is not the pay
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u/coblenski2 1d ago
it absolutely can be if there are multiple mobs and you just need 3 seconds of guaranteed aggro
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u/phixerz 1d ago edited 1d ago
haha this subreddit is a competition who can act the oldest and slowest.
and btw, if you wan't to take a 30 second thought break between each pull, please clarify this when searching for members and I'm pretty sure you will have more success, you are making them as angry as they make you, why not solve it before.
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u/chado5727 1d ago
Someone's full of themselves. Chill bro, it's just a game.
You are not the one who knocks.
If you don't like it when dps pulls a mob, let them tank it. They'll learn quickly and not do it again or leave.
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u/Litdown 1d ago
yOu ArE nOt ThE oNe WhO kNoCkS
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u/chado5727 1d ago
Lol, ya I know, alittle over the top. But the op needs to calm down. This has been a thing since forever. Some dps just need to learn their place, but op sounds like he's trying to be the big boss, he's not.
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u/kakapoopoopp 1d ago
From: DPS, To: Bad Tank
Our previous tank was able to hold threat. If you join the party running deep prot, find yourself another group. You are infact a dime a dozen, we will happily wait for an arms warrior gigachad with Ravenger.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
Sorry for blowing your post up, im with family for xmas and uncomfortable not being within 10 feet of my setup 😅
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u/waitwhathuh 1d ago
I was recently with a mage who tried to argue with me over wether or not damage causes threat. I left immediately.
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u/Kitchen-Hat-5174 1d ago
What happened to hotkeying marks. Skull, X, square and so on? I always mark fast and pull while keeping the healers blue rage bar in my sights. If it goes below 50 rage he gets kinda whiny…. The other DPS? Fuckem I can have another you in a minute.
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u/slothsarcasm 1d ago
As a shaman or warrior I’ll occasionally pull that one(1) mob off to the side into our cleave pool and accept that I’m probably tanking them.
But a pack of mobs? No ty
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u/egotisticalstoic 1d ago
Does you being tank automatically make you the boss? It's a team game, people gonna do whatever they feel like. If they pull aggro, that's their own problem.
Honestly it's classic, not mythic+. There's no reason at all for people to get this worked up over classic dungeons.
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u/billguncrash 1d ago
I understand that 20 years after the release of the original game you want to relive the nostalgia but your hand-eye coordination hasn't necessarily kept pace.
However we're already on the third iteration of Classic and the 1 year release cycle means not everyone has the time or patience to watch you manually mark a square for it to be polymorphed.
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u/The_hourly 1d ago
None of this crap people complain about ever happens in the groups I join.
Even when there’s a noticeable drop off from one tank/healer/dps to the next, the groups don’t wipe.
Admittedly I won’t run any 57+ dungeon with randoms.
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u/dodo41811 1d ago
DPS to Tanks: Merry Christmas !
Tanks to DPS: Merry Christmas to you too !
This one guy:
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u/Steezmoney 1d ago
Tanking is hard and you have to round the bozos up and make due with less than optimal pug strats. If you're unable to do this and simply tank for the fast queues, it might not actually be for you
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u/ShaolinSlamma 1d ago
Man some people are just miserable, this whole idea of you do what I say because I'm X role is pathetic. Just play the game how you want to and stop looking for validation from other people because everyone's version of fun is going to be different, if you don't match then leave or kick and move on with your day. We don't need a new post every time.
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u/Gagnrope 1d ago
Classic tanks and players are so cringe. I would love to see you tank a +14 with that attitude
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u/JonnyWebsite 1d ago
This venting to Reddit is hilarious. You know that no one you ever play with will see this, right?
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u/ZUGGERS420 1d ago
Stop making yourself the special snowflake main character in a 15 year old solved game. Let dps have fun.
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u/eightdigitb4nk 1d ago
In the end, you’ll be gone before us. You will play the game at our level or you’ll be so ego-bruised you end up making your 10th post of the day.
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u/AHart101 1d ago
If you’re regularly in dungeon groups where there is some kind of problem you might want to look at the constant…
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u/SensualJake 1d ago
I've tanked a bunch on fresh, from 1-60 and endgame dungeons. 80% of the time everything is fine, or even great. It's definitely the exception when shit is cooked, but that 20% can easily turn into the pit of despair.
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u/TonyAioli 1d ago
Not at fucking all.
Anyone who mains tank or heals deals with this very regularly. And it’s not hard to know who is at fault.
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u/LifesBeating 1d ago
Yeah this sounded cooler in your head. For every good DPS group I've had I get 4 other shit ones that don't let you LoS pull mobs, send pets in that body pull, typically opt out of the threat reducing talents and just starts spamming their abilities as soon as you pull and then they run away from you when you're trying to save them. All this makes the healer go oom so I then have to sit and wait for healers mana which means I have no pooled rage for next pull so the shame shenanigans will start again. I'd normally let em die but I play HC and even though they are shite and a pain to deal with I don't think it's because they are malicious so I definitely don't want them to tank the mob and potentially die on my watch.
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u/quidPROquo17 1d ago
One more thing, as a tank its your job to try and let your dos do the most they can. Idk why people think staying alive is the 1st rule for tanking in classic. Imo thats the second rule, the first rule is getting enough threat to where your dps can pump off rip and kill the boss as fast as possible. You as the tank are pretty much never going to die, you have like 4-5 healers hitting you with 2-5k (with crits) of healing every global. You could prob turn your back to a boss and lay down and u wont die. In dungeons its the same, your never going to die as long as you know your damage in the group and pull accordingly. If you have a mage then you know you can pull more, etc.
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u/starlighted 1d ago
Hey tanks, can you watch manabars of your full magic group before pulling 2 packs?
im not evocating to save your stupid ass.
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u/Thisguyrick 1d ago
As a healer I hate melee cleave groups they chain pull like it's retail I'm always sitting at 30% mana or less
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u/LostCookie78 1d ago
Yeah this is why I love making my own groups as a tank. You’re a shitty dps who wants to treat it like retail and pull? You get one warning or you’re gone. That shit wipes us here.
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u/Deliverz 1d ago
Mix of both. I’ve had DPS pulling shit they shouldn’t be pulling and mess the group up. I’ve also had runs take 45 minutes longer than needed because the tank had to make sure that everyone was 100% health and mana before we pull every pack, or the tank doesn’t realize we can easily grab a few more mobs each pull etc.
Dungeon tanking really, really isn’t hard. Don’t confuse demand with skill
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u/Quincy256 1d ago
From: Everyone Else, To: Warrior Tanks
Stop trying to HR big items for leveling dungeons, it’s cringe af. Everyone else needs gear too you aren’t special. Immediate skip when you guys type that shit in whispers.
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u/MyHeadIsAButt 1d ago
What’s ur username so I can add you to ignore. Major dork energy, let’s clear the dungeon faster - it’s not raid mobs that are gonna 1 shot me
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u/AssignmentOk3207 1d ago
Come on, you're there to tank so tank and stop moaning and get on with it.
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u/Shadohawkk 1d ago
From: DPS, To: Tank
You should try playing a DPS. Most tanks don't give a singular speckle of shit about tanking correctly, so I could totally see why many dps don't care to dps correctly. Pulling mobs back or into a previous room? I only see that happening in like 1 in 3 dungeons--and only for very specific fights and forgetting the mechanic exists at all for all further fights. Your threat that we are a dime a dozen? Why would we care about your threat when we have tanks kicking us for no reason at all? Why would we bend to your whims when most tanks whims are just a roll of the dice?
Get some perspective. Nobody deserves anything until it's guild runs. And if you are bitching to all of reddit, then you obviously aren't in guild runs.
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u/nemestrinus44 1d ago
Lemme guess, deep prot warrior who can’t get any rage so you can never hold any agro if there’s more than one mob?
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u/Mangomosh 1d ago
Craziest shit is when hunters think they can decide the pace in hc dungeons. They level twice as fast as a warrior, if things so wrong they wont die and they dont have a endgame anyways. Of course theyre fine playing risky and rushing.
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u/lifeisprobsahoax 1d ago
Can you tanks just chill tf out lmao. All I ever see is yall bitching. This is classic, not rocket science. Spam sunder armor, taunt and keep it moving. Holy shit man can ya'll just stop complaining for two seconds?
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u/aNoobisPainting 1d ago
As a tank myself I say, unleash hell, test me for my threat is eternal! And if you rip my aggro your name shall be Prisen in the name of the great Zug, for I finally have to taunt.
No, seriously the old saying stands true, attack is the best defence.
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u/TheSouthernCassowary 1d ago
Eager rogue was trying to set the pace while our healer was underleveled. Let him pull a pack and corpse walk into his kick. Perhaps he will learn his place in our world.
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u/CannonFodder_G 1d ago
100000%
This is why I stopped tanking and started playing my shaman.
No one wants to deal with mechanics.
People want to complain about the lack of tanks without dealing withy why no one wants to tank.
If you have an asshole dps in your group, back your tank.
I've dropped runs as tank when locks wouldn't stop pulling for me and then not understanding why I couldn't get aggro back.
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u/SpaightG 1d ago
I’m worried you’re not considering their top half Ulda parse though ? Think of the DPS!! Be generous this holiday season.