He's not following the script we have for events like this. He's supposed to have a bunch of unhinged weird beliefs in a long rambling manifesto that we can all gawk at.
It's hard to overstate how ideologically poisonous this is to the media. It's a huge story and pulls a lot of views, but if you actually READ the message, it's lucidly advocating for the murder of unaccountable rich scumbags by pointing out the systemic harm they do to huge swaths of the society. Do the Murdochs, say, want to signal boost an open call that they be killed? You could try to narrow the focus to heath care per se, but anyone's mind will jump the tracks in a minute or two and get the broader implications.
I think you're right about the Murdochs but a lot of the liberal media was just fine with boosting Trump's message and he calls them the enemy of the people and fantasizes about violence done to them.
I don't understand what the false equivalency is here. I was pointing out that media doesn't seem to have scruples if it's a message that their audience is interested in. Murdoch had Fox run all those segments about voting machine conspiracy theories and was even anxious about the legal liability of them in those texts and emails that were released. He had them push on because they were losing market share to Fox's even nuttier competitors like Newsmaxx. Corporate liberal media continues to boost Trump's signal, giving him billions in free airtime in 2016, 2020, and 2024. They even sane wash his word salad because their viewers want the story to make sense.
Already seeing that on reddit. The top comment on another post was deleted/removed and only the replies describing what it was before it was nuked led me to Klippenstein's page.
Edit: reddit mods used automation to find and delete this post for "promoting violence". As always, u/spez should choke on a bag of dicks. Wonder when reddit's next investor conference is.
The phrase "left the reservation" has some horrible connotations to it and it is also offensive to the people this phrase originates from. If you are on this sub I suspect you are the type that doesn't use racial disparagements knowingly. Sadly this phrase has slupped under the radar for many of us. It's similar to "gipped" in that regard. In my area we all used it. I was probably mid to late 20s before I learned it was short for gypsy.
I disagree with you. Leaving the reservation means you are leaving your community behind.
Being put on a reservation is fucking horrible in the first place. Just like the phrase "Indian giver" etymology is about a white person stealing from indigenous peoples, not the other way around. Only assholes say they're going to give you something, then try to take it back.
History disagrees with you. Throwing out your opinion on something you are uninformed about is how we have Trump. You could have googled it and double checked your feel good opinion but you didn't. You just confidently spouted misinformation. And confidence actually convinces other people. So you have just added to the problem.
That URL is the username Mangione used on several social media sites. It's remarkably cogent.
Actions, no matter how shocking, seem necessary to awaken a population lulled into accepting this desolation as normal. My manifesto is a desperate attempt to shake the foundations of a world that has allowed itself to be governed by heartless spreadsheets and corporate-led moral arithmetic. When I act, I do so in the name of humanity, not spite.
He's explicitly not excusing acts of violence, but framing them as a kind of inevitable Thermidorian reaction to for-profit models of healthcare services. I don't know what to make of all this.
Look beyond the sensationalism that will inevitably surround my actions—spun by media outlets that rely on shock value. Penetrate the veil and see the underlying disease. Question every assumption about why a pill costs hundreds of dollars, why a specialist is out of reach, or why an insurance claim can be denied with impunity. Challenge every premise that leads to the commodification of health.
I can't say whether this site is genuine (if it's a fake, it was certainly thrown together fast). In the interest of scrutiny, the Wayback Machine has only ever scraped the page today. Not sure if that means this was a ready-to-publish hoax, or if the site was just never indexed because there was no reason for significant traffic before.
I don't know. The language doesn't feel like the same guy who wrote the Klippenstein text. I mean, the post isn't incorrect about its indictment of American healthcare, i just want to see verification before I attribute it to him.
Agreed, that's why I was skeptical as well. If you intend to share this with anyone, definitely include a disclaimer.
However, I believe the Klippenstein text (the body of the OP post here) was transcribed from a handwritten, maybe hastily written page in the notebook that was in Mangione's bag.
IMHO, this does read like the difference between scrawling something off the cuff on paper, versus cracking open a word processor with all the time to structure and edit an essay.
There are enough similarities that it feels reasonably credible. I'm in trust-but-verify mode, here.
I still think the first "fake" manifesto felt very real. With his skillset I imagine he could launch these things quickly, and/or schedule them in advance.
Deadman switch to hit publish if he doesn't send a code every 24 hours kinda thing I guess isn't too implausible, but until he takes responsibility for it or there is independent verification I'm withholding judgement.
The WHOIS data for that URL show it as created on Namecheap yesterday at 19:41:02 UTC. If it was an official website from Mangione, it was almost certainly published by an associated person or by some kind of automatic website creation tool he set up.
Yeah this should be the first thing you look up for these kinds of instances. Domain wasn't registered until he was already found out, so there's a reasonable chance it's not him
It’s absolutely inevitable. Murder by corporation is fully legal. Those saying that “this is not the way” have yet to suggest what the correct way is, if that’s the case. When murder by corporation is government sanctioned, legal and lauded by stockholders, this absolutely is inevitable. History shows us that clearly.
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u/kratorade Knife Missle Technician 16d ago
You're gonna see this buried.
He's not following the script we have for events like this. He's supposed to have a bunch of unhinged weird beliefs in a long rambling manifesto that we can all gawk at.
This... ain't that.