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u/zbracisz 16d ago
This is what happens if you make peaceful reform impossible.
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u/BizzarduousTask 16d ago
Something something tree of liberty…something…blood of tyrants…
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u/SpoofedFinger 15d ago
I mean, I'd probably reach for "a riot is the language of the unheard" instead.
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u/jdcodring 15d ago
Both work.
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u/SpoofedFinger 15d ago
I guess. Jefferson was a member of the hypocrite ruling class of his day so it seems inappropriate to use him as inspiration for going after his spiritual successors.
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u/jdcodring 15d ago
Oh I don’t disagree that Jefferson was a piece of shit slave master. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. Shitty people can make good points.
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u/zbracisz 16d ago
"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming." Note the plural. He already knows there will be imitators. That was part of the point. The fact he did it, lived, got his words out, and will have a huge public platform at trial, pretty much guarantee there will be more.
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u/carlitospig 16d ago
You could also read it like the c suite of United in general, as in the turmoil and bad press that his actions caused.
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 16d ago
I don't think it will have many imitators. The billionaires will lock down, meet by zoom, travel with a ring of bodyguards, not ever be in public without body armor, etc.
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u/Combatical 16d ago
At least some of that money will "trickle down" through the body guards right??
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u/BookMonkeyDude 15d ago
Thompson wasn't a billionaire. For every billionaire there are dozens of dead-eyed millionaire toadies doing their bidding without whom they could not accomplish anything.
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u/HalcyonPaladin 15d ago
I know a few people who work in exec security details and they’ve got a ton of calls already, but straight up says that most of their work is going to be smoke and mirrors to throw off prepared parties.
They also indicated that it’ll likely fall off after a year when they realize how expensive c-suite protection services actually are.
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u/SpoofedFinger 15d ago
I dunno, they seem to have quite a hubris problem as a group. They'll run scared in the short term but they seem to reject the notion that there should be any restrictions placed on them in any regard.
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u/12345678_nein 16d ago edited 15d ago
What about those close to them? Obviously you target not only the execs, but make them feel like not even their families or homes are safe. You don't have to put a physical bullet in the back of someone's head to enact change. Not every exec will have enough pull to have bodyguards 24/7 - not even the president elect with the secret service surrounding him could keep a shot from grazing his ear. Whether you believe that was a hoax or not, it was enough to muddy the waters in people's belief in absolute security at any level for anybody. Eventually the other shoe would drop and change in policy would be the only solution out.
It's a shame Mangione let himself get caught so early. If he was wiser, he could have done some real terror like Kaczynski did. With his bright mind, he may have actually gotten the ball rolling on policy change through violence. If he is expecting to inspire some copycat to pick up the mantle, he is sadly naive. People who have the resources, who are motivated enough to do what he did; revolutionaries; they don't come along very often. By allowing himself to be caught, he has already given up the fight.
I hope this is some elaborate scheme, where the the real gunman is still out there, off to shoot the next CEO. And Mangione is just the fall guy - hoping his lawyer can get him off, but willing to sit the rest of his life in prison for the cause. This isn't Hollywood, so I have serious doubts. Chances are he already played his hand and that one bullet was all he had. Smhuck.
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u/Vast-Summer-8614 15d ago
good god, unless you're auditioning for your community theater to play Robespierre this is some pretty unhinged shit. Revolutions are not won through terror. Successful revolutions are rare as it goes and not a single one of them was started by acts of isolated terror against the oppressing class. That's just what intelligenzia lunatics like you like to tell each other over their lattes, because it elevates your feelings from helpless to noble.
If this guy had continued, hid from the cops, shot five more CEOs -then what? Global capitalism falls, the Glorious Revolution comes? Unhinged nonsense.
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u/12345678_nein 15d ago
I see you have never known true hopelessness in life. I have, as have many people in my life, as probably many people probably walking beside you on the street everyday. Ever heard of going postal? Sure you have! It's an American tradition. When you find yourself at the end of rope, at your wits end, you decide you can't take any more of this rotten world - but you also want to take some other people out with you that you blame. What is it in what I have written above that is so unlike that national sport?
People in this country are fed up all the time, with what they feel is less and less to look forward to. At least in the lean times, during other great economic downturns, people at least felt like their country had their back, they could rely on (trust in) big institutional establishments like police/doctors/scientists, and for the most part, feel safe in their communities. Now you can't even feel safe sending your kids to school without getting a goodbye text mid-day in the afternoon as your kid gets gun-downed by enemies from within and without. So idk.
I know I'm not about to go out and do what this kid did. Most people aren't. There is a reason most Americans are kept fat, complacent - and weed is being legalized pronto. Newsflash! It's not because big brother is worried about filling the tax coffiers. The slower, dumber, and more complacent the American people... the less likely they will rise up. We will see more Mangiones and Bushnells. Lone losers who had nothing else to lose, ao they took their shot at what they hoped would be a message. As far as organized, violent rebellions? Sorry if I misled you. I could only dream my fellow compatriots could be counted on in our nations time of need.
Now I know I'm on a list. Damn.
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u/TubularLeftist 16d ago
Honestly I don’t need to read his manifesto, actions speak louder than words, and his actions broadcasted a pretty straightforward message
“ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”
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u/LogicBalm 16d ago
Agreed. The day we heard the news, not a single person was asking why this man was targeted. We knew why.
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u/Dogtimeletsgooo 16d ago
For so long the working class has had to endure systemic and state violence with its head down, and we're told this is just business as usual. If you struggle, that's just a stroke of bad luck or some fault on your part- not literally how the system was designed. Anyone pointing out that the system feeds on human suffering and exploitation is labeled some kind of goofy communist or free loader, and disregarded. Folks just kept pushing because they still had some belief that they could work hard enough to earn the American dream or whatever, but reality is creeping in. No matter how hard we work, we are never safe. No matter how much you save or earn or don't spend, it's never enough- and we're told it's always our fault. But we know better, I think people are just finally feeling able to admit it to each other. We're all getting fucked over and no amount of asking politely or voting for Healthcare reform or any of that has fixed the root of the problem
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u/Relax007 16d ago edited 16d ago
One of the things I keep thinking about is how the shooter's family was what most people would call "rich". Not "billionaire living on an entirely different planet" rich, but they had some money and influence.
Our failing profit driven systems (healthcare, the prison industrial complex, etc) were never intended to hurt people like them, but corporate America is getting so greedy that regular rich people can't entirely purchase their way out of the more unsavory aspects of capitalism (while the justice system is still stacked in their favor, loads of mommy's special boys in the alt right have some sort of criminal record that I think contributed to their outrage and employment issues in ways they previously thought people like them are exempt from). So, it's a much bigger shock to the system to them when these systems finally start impacting them.
Historically, they were its biggest cheerleaders and "proof" that it worked. You'll likely never meet Elon Musk, but these guys are on a level that you may see them at local events. They're the success story fairy tale people point to in their community and say, "Look at them. They made it and you can too."
When the system finally starts harming them and becomes intolerable to everyone except the elite of the elite, well, things are going to get real interesting.
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u/12345678_nein 15d ago edited 15d ago
Of course. The mooks congregating on every rundown, street corner were never given the education (by design) to put into words or frame into historical context the ways in which they are being fucked on a daily and systemic basis. When they get fed up with life's bullshit, they lash out in indigenet, rightous anger, but unable to articulate how they are feeling in words their many grievances, they just start repeating the same phrases, over and over. Their disposition can often go from 0 to 100 in a matter of seconds, because there really isn't much pinging around in their brains besides whatever they are doing in the moment. They were never taught (again, intentionally, by design) to busy their thoughts on grander things like Why's? How's? Gee, I wonder. Because that is irrelevant to the daily task at hand: getting money/food/shinynewdistaction.
The people at the bottom are the ones you never have to worry about. They stay in line, because they keep each other in line. If one happens to rise above it's station to the next social strata, that is all well and good. They are, however, still easily kept in line by either skeletons from their past or by the fear of being kicked back to where they (think) belong.
Which leads me to where I am agreeing with you and said all this to help bolster your point. The upper middle class. The middle class. They are a few generators reserved from living paycheck-to-paycheck. They may have some young relatives who still start out that way, but not one in their family lives in a trailer park, or is on government assistance or has even the fear of CPS being called on them. Like you said. This class of people know how to think. They know how to function. Go high up enough along the food chain, their children go to finishing schools and spend their summers at summer camps whose tuition cost the down-payment of a small house. This is where Mangione came from. He's smart, motivated - and YOUNG. What happens when you take a young, handsome, intelligent man with everything to live for, pull the rug out from underneath him - and then point blame at some villainous CEO? That, my friends, is how you create a radical.
I wish Mangione hadn't allowed himself to be caught. He could have got more of them. He basically just lit himself on fire like Bushnell. Did Bushnell stop the war in Israel? No. Did I remember his name without first stopping and googling it first? Also, no. And we all know the saying: don't set yourself on fire to keep other people warm: cause in Mangione's case, a life sentence is forever, and ain't no one picking up that torch once they put an extinguisher to his corpse.
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u/secretviollett 16d ago
Thinking Rosenthal is referring to the book An American sickness and Moore would be Michael Moores Sicko? Anyone else figure out the references?
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u/ZarquonsFlatTire 16d ago
He probably isn't referring to his favorite James Bond, but he might really like Roger Moore.
I would have thought he was Lazenby fellow.
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u/octopush123 16d ago
I assumed Michael Moore too
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u/WhyBuyMe 16d ago
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the 1999 album "So Real" by Mandy Moore.
Isn't that the one where she goes on a tirade against the unjust oligarchs that run society and calls for the emancipation of the proletariat?
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u/acrunchyfrog 16d ago
I'm not ashamed to admit Dennis Moore was the first person came to mind. "Stand and deliver!"
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u/LoveTriscuit 16d ago
Has this been confirmed to be genuine?
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u/DebbieGlez 16d ago
It seems so.
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u/fourofkeys 16d ago
how/by who?
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u/justsikko 16d ago
I mean if Ken kilppenstien is the one reporting it I’m inclined to believe it. Dude is a solid ass reporter.
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u/DebbieGlez 16d ago
The Washington Times and TMZ. Others too but major news outlets are confirming that Klippenstein published it. They’re not publishing it as best I can tell.
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u/Hot-Protection-3786 Sponsored by Knife Missiles™️ 16d ago
Honestly Luigi coming out the pipe with a pipe was not on my bingo card.
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u/lite_hjelpsom 16d ago
Every successful revolution so far has been started and often led by someone close to the oppressing class. Just saying.
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u/NeverForgetNGage Sponsored by Raytheon™️ 16d ago
Good on Klippenstein for publishing it, fuck corporate media for trying to bury it.
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u/samwise58 15d ago
I haven’t heard Uprisings by Muse in like- 20yrs… All of a sudden I’m hearing it on multiple radio channels. Cool song.
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u/flaysomewench 15d ago
"Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty"
I feel this guy wanted to be caught and made an example of. It's so so fucking sad, but that's what I think. Why else meticulously plan a murder only to be caught five days later with all the evidence on you? Including this beautifully written work.
Nolite te bastardes carborundum.
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u/Specialist-Smoke 16d ago
I don't see anything special about this manifesto. He's, still a killer and you guys are 5 steps from attending a lynching.
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u/WhyBuyMe 16d ago
When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.
-Freidrich Engels
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u/stron2am 16d ago
How does corporate boot taste? Is it in season right now?
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u/Immediate_Spare_3912 16d ago
You guys are looking for a hero and it’s not a good look
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u/Specialist-Smoke 15d ago
I don't think either one of them are heroes. If Trump put lynchings on PPV a lot of people would pay to see someone get murdered. Especially if it's someone that they don't think is as human as them. It's a slippery slope and I'm never going to dehumanize anyone, but especially not those whom I hate or dislike.
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u/kratorade Knife Missle Technician 16d ago
You're gonna see this buried.
He's not following the script we have for events like this. He's supposed to have a bunch of unhinged weird beliefs in a long rambling manifesto that we can all gawk at.
This... ain't that.