r/arabs • u/time_waster_3000 • 21h ago
سياسة واقتصاد 'We cannot be an opponent to Israel,' new Damascus Governor says
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-we-cannot-be-an-opponent-to-israel---new-damascus-governor66
u/CarefulScreen9459 20h ago
What's even more subservient and humiliating is him saying that it's understandable and natural for Israel to bomb us.
I swear some Syrians just seem to have almost no value for their life and country. We criticized them that they didn't condemn, and now they even surprise us and say that they are "Okay with it".
Next time when Israel bombs them, they will go ahead and say "Israel has the right to defend itself".
I still hope to see some Syrians criticize this and show us that they still care, but I'm a bit pessimistic and depressed about what's going on.
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u/Saifllah 19h ago
Every western country is waiting for us to make a mistake. We need to sell good words to them to make the west shut up. The sanctions havent been lifted yet, and we can do that by convincing the west that Syria is not ruled by terrorists.
In the future, if Syria is standing again, and still bowing down to Israël, I will be mad too. But give them time to rebuild the country then we can talk about that.
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u/CarefulScreen9459 19h ago
Hopefully. The issue, though, is if you made committed deals, then it's something you can not retract. Just like when Arafat signed Oslo. He recognized Israel for almost nothing, and Israel didn't recognize Palestine in return. He doomed us for eternity.
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u/Saifllah 19h ago
If we made commited deals, طذ commited deal. We are making deals with snakes. In the near future, In Sha Allah, Israel will be thrown in the trash history. Not voluntarily, but with force. We need to have sabr and not make fights with each other because that is not solving anything.
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u/Knafeh_enjoyer 19h ago edited 19h ago
Agreed. The new regime needs to prove that it is a good and obedient lapdog for the West. And then maybe when it’s rebuilt in some indefinite period of time or eternity, it can talk about liberating the Golan and whatever else Israel decides to take.
In the meantime, Israel has the right to defend itself even when it’s bombing Syrian defence infrastructure and occupying Syrian territory. And of course, the Holocaust in Gaza is also Israeli self defence that cannot be questioned or even mentioned by the new regime.
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u/Saifllah 19h ago edited 18h ago
1 or 2 centuries with your mindset.
What are we else supposed to do with dog Arab leaders? Alone we are nothing, we need every Arab country to stand up against Israël.
Every Arab country is a lapdog for israel and you come complaining about us? Just look what MBS and UAE are doing.
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u/IntelligentHome963 18h ago
Sitting in a safe home in the west, being a social media warrior, and criticizing people who just want peace after their entire world collapsed is real bold.
I’ll bet if you lived in Palestine you too would want peace, not some long lost and impossible dream you people tout on your instagram stories.
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u/CarefulScreen9459 14h ago
I don't really live in the west. I live In Jordan.
I have family members who live in Palestine and they criticize the government for their version of peace all the time, because they know that it might give you a short-term peace, but long-term it is just plainly very damaging to the livelihoods of Palestinians and the Palestinian cause.
But fine, you're right, I don't know how things really are during wars. And I've seen plenty of people lecturing Palestinians on how to act and yet they're comfortable in their "independent" countries.
All I'm saying though is that it might sound like a good idea now to be very submissive towards Israel, but from what we learned from history is that once you stop fighting Israel for your land, or move away from it, Israel will force a new reality for you to accept. In other words, if Syrians really believe that the way they are acting now will get them back their land back, then they're just plain wrong.
And again, I didn't live under Bashar, I did have family members who did live in Syria under Bashar (Palestinian refugees), and they more or less lived an Okay life, it wasn't great, it was just okay, they were able to work, travel, purchase apartments, go to parties, etc, but they didn't have freedom of speech, and they hustled for money.... And I guess I could find compelling reasons of why a lot of Syrians hated him and went to a decade old civil war to topple his regime. But the price that they paid in exchange was huge, and I guess there is no need to mention most of it as I'm sure you know. But what I do feel that I need to mention again and again is that huge chunks of Syria is gone, and some of it may be permanently. And it just seems to me that a lot of Syrians hate Bashar more than they love their country.
My cynical mind also tells me (and I could be wrong), that had Bashar been a Sunni dictator, and had he not been someone who has enmity towards Israel, then there won't even be a civil war. It just seems to me that the other party in the civil war, found that extra drive, vigor, and persistence because they were fighting an Alawite and not a Sunni, and they were able to get huge support from Arab countries that are allied to Israel, or do not want to see any resistance against Israel.
Sisi's Egyptian prison are just as bad as Syrian prisons.
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u/Aggressive-Rock5091 19h ago
Hard to support people who don't support themselves. Even if you submit to Israel in every way imaginable, they are still coming back for you, it's their dream and they are doing a good job achieving it so far..
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u/time_waster_3000 20h ago
r/Syria is cheering this on
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u/JurmcluckTV 14h ago
Yeah I’m not convinced that “the rebels” are the magical marvel good guys. Assad was no good. But how is this new Syria going to work if it just lets Israel bomb its ENTIRE military and seize Mt Hermon
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u/bobbech34 14h ago
As a Syrian i would like to apologise, that sub has become a joke and not something that represents Syria or Syrians, they are very pro israel yet claim to be pro palestine, and they have very dictatorial tendencies like deleting posts and comments criticising HTS or joulani and they are very pro Muslim Brotherhood
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u/Knafeh_enjoyer 20h ago
The greatest ambition in life of a Free Syrian Army type is to be a slave of the Israelis. There is no higher calling for him.
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u/rj_yul 20h ago
Looks like you're the one cheering for it so people could bash Syria and the current government. What is you magical solution to get Israel off the back of Syrians? Enlighten us? Let me guess, bring Assad back. Voilà!!!!!
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u/time_waster_3000 20h ago
so people could bash Syria and the current government
Yes people should criticize Syrian officials when they make friends with the most racist country on earth that is slaughtering their fellow Arabs in the hundreds of thousands.
Let me guess, bring Assad back
Imagine getting called an Assadist for not wanting Syria to make peace with the Zionist entity.
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u/bobbech34 14h ago
Don’t bother arguing, anyone who is against HTS or joulani or say something they don’t like is called an assadist, it’s something they learned from the Israeli calling every anti zionist antisemitic to make u submit to them and their beliefs
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u/rj_yul 20h ago
And what do you propose? What do you think a weak state surrounded by hyenas should do? Seriously. I AM AGAINST ANY TYPE OF "NORMALIZATION" AND FORGIVENESS OF PALESTINIAN BLOOD. Did I say it loudly enough? But I am seriously asking you, WHAT SHOULD THEY DO. What would you do?
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u/Bogyman3 16h ago
Don't normalize with pissrael? don't be a slave for the west? Instead of condemning their actions he made excuses for them. taking initiatives to appease the west. he did not only bend the knee, he got on all fours.
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u/time_waster_3000 20h ago
I AM AGAINST ANY TYPE OF "NORMALIZATION"
Okay then you should be directing your questions to the Syrian officials who are suggesting that Syria normalize with the Zionist entity.
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u/rj_yul 20h ago
This is my answer on the matter that I wrote in arabic. If you can't read arabic use a translation tool:
أولاً، هناك فرق كبير بين القول "نريد السلام" بمعناه العام، أي رفض الحروب والتصعيد، خاصة في ظل الظروف المرهقة التي تمر بها سوريا، كما كان يردد الشرع، وبين القول "نريد السلام مع إسرائيل." إضافة كلمة "معها" في العنوان قد توحي بأن هناك توجهًا نحو اتفاق أو تفاهم، وهو ما يتناقض مع مضمون المقالة الذي يركز على الرغبة في السلام دون السعي إلى مواجهة أو تصعيد.
ثانياً، لن يكون هناك أي فعل تجاه إسرائيل؛ فهي قادرة على تدمير الأخضر واليابس في سوريا دون أن تخشى العواقب. فمن استطاع ارتكاب إبادة جماعية في غزة دون محاسبة، سيتمكن من تكرار الأمر في سوريا.
لكن الخطاب الحالي تجاه إسرائيل يجب ألا يكون تبريرياً لأفعالها، بل ينبغي أن يتماشى مع الخطاب العالمي الرافض لها، والذي بات غير قادر على تقبل أفعالها أو سردياتها الزائفة ومظلوميتها الكاذبة. فإسرائيل اليوم ليست ملايين يهود هتلر الذين أحرقهم في أفران الغاز.
التودد لإسرائيل في الإعلام سيعود بنتائج سلبية على سوريا.
الحل يكمن في المطالبة بالحقوق عبر التصريحات والمحافل الدولية، مع إظهار انزعاج واضح من ممارسات إسرائيل. فإسرائيل، التي قامت على اقتطاع جنوب سوريا (فلسطين) وتشريد أهله، تحكمها اليوم مجموعة من دواعش صهاينة مدعومين من اليمين المسيحي الإنجيلي الغربي. هؤلاء يؤمنون بأن احتلال ما تبقى من سوريا يحقق نبوءة توراتية تنص على أن المسيح لن يعود قبل أن تصبح دمشق أنقاضاً.
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u/ThrawDown 20h ago
I agree man, I think Next step is to shave his beard and wax the legs, that's how all the other normalizes do it. You in?
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u/rj_yul 20h ago
I asked a serious question and all you could come up with is mockery?
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u/ThrawDown 19h ago
You made a mockery of yourself by not knowing the answer is to call Israel's act blatant aggression, and that they are acting as a spoiled child, then make it clear that if these acts do not stop then Israel will be facing another front
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u/AncientCrown72 20h ago
ما قلنا ابدؤوا الحرب بس على القليلة طالب بالجولان استنكر الاعتداءات بلهجة قوية أدعم المقاومة إعلاميا ناديه باسموا الكيان الاسرائيلي أدعم فلسطين واستنكر الحرب وانزل مظاهرات دعم لفلسطين بس باللهجة هاي لهجة استنكار كانها سوريا مش بالشام او جارة فلسطين
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u/OkDependent1916 19h ago
نعمل مظاهرات بسوريا لدعم فلسطين بالوقت اللي ما اكتشفنا المقابر الجماعية اللي عملا الأسد ، ترتيب الأولويات فظيع.
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u/bloynd_x 20h ago
اسرائيل هجمت علي سوريا من غير ما الحكومة سوريا تعمل اي حاجة من الانت قولتهم فما بالك بالإسرائيل هتعمله لو عملواها
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u/CedarMountain00 17h ago
As long as the dirty Shia kuffars are not in power in the Middle East, Israel can do whatever they want!
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u/Bogyman3 16h ago
This sarcasm or what?
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u/CedarMountain00 16h ago
Obviously
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u/East-Potential-574 8h ago
I recommend that you write /s when you do sarcasm just in case no one understands.
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u/CedarMountain00 8h ago
The sad part is that’s the motivation for like 80% of the Syrian opposition
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u/GreyFox-RUH 19h ago
Whether we like it or not, Israel is much stronger than any Arab country, mayb even than all Arab countries combined. Syria needs to build itself. If it goes against Israel it will become another Gaza. The Western powers (the strongest) will not only let it happen but will also support it. The other powers in the region won't do anything
Syria needs to focus on itself and build itself. It doesn't have to friends with Israel, but it definitely should not attack Israel
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u/globalwp 15h ago
That makes sense if you’re not being actively invaded. Once you’re getting invaded, you make life as hard as possible for the invader.
Otherwise yes, it’s foolish to engage in confrontation with them without first building up the productive forces, economic, and military power in your own country.
That said, it doesn’t justify normalization.
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u/IntelligentHome963 18h ago
This. People who go around reposting free Palestine stories can’t comprehend how the world actually works. Rocks and instagram stories don’t beat tanks and the backing of the US.
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u/mohammadmaleh 1h ago
لأي واحد عم يعلك، نحنا صرلنا بحرب ١٤ سنة، الدمار هلي صار بدو ٥٠ سنة لنقدر نعمرو، بنكنا المركزي فيه صفر دولار.
و أصلا عدائنا لأسرائيل ما فادنا بشي، صرلنا تحت حصار أقتصادي من ال ٨٦
و نحنا و لبنان أكتر بلدين أضررو من أسرائيل و تنيناتنا صفينا عالأرض و ما خرج بئا نحارب، وقت كان بدنا مساعدة معظم الدول العربية حطت فيزا علينا بدل ما تساعدنا، هي أذا ما دعمت بشار.
أذا بدك تنظر علينا، الأحسن تفرجينا مراجلك انت و دولتك ضد أسرائيل بدل ما قاعد عالريدت.
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u/Kakya Hijaz 20h ago
Diaspora kids in this sub are going to be very upset that a country that just ended a thirteen year long civil war wants to live in peace and rebuild the country rather than fighting another destructive war immediately with a more powerful neighbor.
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u/time_waster_3000 20h ago
Diaspora kids in this sub are going to be very upset that a country that just ended a thirteen year long civil war wants to live in peace and rebuild the country rather than fighting another destructive war immediately with a more powerful neighbor.
Let's take a look at your comment history. Oh look:
Ashkenazim are middle eastern. They're natives of Israel. Just because I live in the US doesn't mean I stop being middle eastern, same with ashkenazim
Are you having fun posting in r/neoconNWO? Looks like you're even active in r/Israel.
Having fun shilling for Europeans?
Edit:
Quoted your entire comment before you delete it. Please don't scrub your comment history. It makes it easier for us to find Hasbara.
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u/Kakya Hijaz 19h ago
Why would I delete the truth? Where I post or where I live doesn't change that this sub is primarily arabs living in the west (like me!) who like to LARP as revolutionaries and get upset when people in the middle east want to live in peace and rebuild their countries.
I grew up with Syrians in the ME and all of them are tired of war and just want to see their cities rebuilt. They don't have to love Israel or support them for that to be true and no amount of calling them hasbara trolls will change that.
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u/time_waster_3000 19h ago
primarily arabs living in the west (like me!) who like to LARP
Ashkenazim are middle eastern. They're natives of Israel.
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u/Kakya Hijaz 19h ago
What does that have to do with syrians?
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u/tehMoerz / Diaspora (US) 17h ago
He’s right that nobody wants to hear anything you have to say after reading that.
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u/SickScorpion 17h ago
Syrian here, I surely don't like this, but I would honestly take a peace treaty with Israel over having Iranian interventions and shit ass ton of proxies in Syria, Syria is not a battleground and it's high time for us to have a damn break.
Seeing how Jordan and Egypt are doing, I think Syria does deserve this peace too.
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u/no_2_japan_cartoons 18h ago
The ones who normalized are just delaying their destruction as Israeli subversives slowly infiltrate and install puppets to serve the interests of NATO/Israel at the expense of the population. Just look at the PLO. You conceed to these people, they will just use that against you. As far they're concerned, from their jewish schizo perspective, you will always be an enemy that could be mobilized against them. They will direct you against yourself or their enemies. Thats why they're interested in infighting in Syria, Thats why they destroyed weapons infrastructure, and Thats why they keep taking Syrian land. Normalization isn't possible for the whole region, these people expect 500m+ to appeal to them when simply they can just fuck off and that would be easier for everyone else.
The US gives a good example of Israeli subversion of American politics, if they do that to their biggest supporter who basically bankrolled their genocide against palis, imagine what they'd do to their neighbors.
These wars have shown serious cracks when it comes to American power projection and Israel sustaining itself. Obviously, because of this israeli so called "victory", the shills and their useful idiots are now signal boosting normalization. They were using the same talking points pre 2023. Israel is a weak country with no strategic depth, and western backing is bank rolling the whole clown show. Its unrealistic and unsustainable. Undermining Israel comes with the collapse of the American empire and its western vassals, this is coming.
What to learn from these wars is Israel is weak country that pretends its strong. It will become far weaker and will disintigrate with the collapse of world trade. Thats why they covit normalization with their neighbors, instead of leeching from westerners, they will start leeching from us. Never normalize, time is on our side.