r/USEmpire • u/pumpkinzh • Nov 04 '24

Sami Hamdi on the US election

Via Instagram @theamericanmuslimdialogue @salhachimi : For Kamala Harris, the road to the White House is paved with the bodies of Palestinians.

The reason Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not stopping the genocide is because they believe that if the genocide stops, they will lose Zionist support and the election. Now is the time to prove to the American establishment that Zionism is no longer a political asset, but a political liability, by defeating Harris at the polls.

Watch full interview with Sami Hamdi at The American Muslim Dialogue https://youtube.com/watch?v=QC2wdFKx-kk&t=1657s

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u/EnterTamed Nov 04 '24

Yeah, let's never vote then... All Presidents have been war criminals... /S🤡

Muslims not voting in Saudi Arabia, definitely stopped the Yemen genocide... /S🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

Vote but there needs to be alternatives to red and blue, that's the problem. No matter which party they vote for, both parties are genocidal.

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

Then, run them in state and local elections. Load up the federal house and senate.

This hail Mary bullshit that happens during the POTUS elections every 4 years just reeks of vote splitting, not offering a reasonable alternative

If there are really parties with better alternatives get them on all the ballots.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

If only Democrats stopped suing to keep other parties off the ballot.

But I guess that's how Democracy works in the USA.

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

Democrats sued to keep 3rd party senate or house reps off ballots? I was unaware. Did a search but couldn't find anything. Please point me to those i world like to look into it. Or are you talking about local or state ballots? Please elaborate.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

Took me 5 seconds after reading this to find something.

Election 2024 Government & Politics Justice Montana Democratic Party sues to keep Green Party off U.S. Senate ballot

Democrats scramble to remove socialist party candidate from ballots in key swing states NYPost "I know they suck"

Is Democracy on the ballot? Third-party suppression a problem

And something tells me people will reply saying Jill Stein is a Russian agent, but I don't see much evidence of it, while at the same time both parties are working for AIPAC, taking their millions, and both have genocidal tendencies as we are all witnessing around the world right now.

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

Best keep searching.

The first one is a legit suit about process after the candidate dropped out last minute then they tried to stick another candidate in outside process.

No, just because they are third party the don't get special treatment.

The other two are about socialist and green party presidential candidates. That's exactly what I was talking about.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24

May I ask, what makes the US a democracy in the first place? I mean they got gerrymandering/cheating, this electoral collage, they also have no problems taking money from corporations, like...

What makes the US a Democracy? I think Democracy is about choice and when I watch our neighbors, they only have 1 choice it seems, the lesser of two evils. That... kinda sucks! Ya know?

Like it's all about the money, dems and Republicans have corporations backing them, all these other parties don't have much funding so.. it just seems to me that the USA is a corporate democracy than a true one.

Thoughts?

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

There is no county that I'm ware of that is a pure (direct) democracy. The US federal government is a representative republic, aka a democratic republic.

The US is ruled by the people just not directly by the people.

For president, the electoral college is supposed to keep large states from dominating the smaller states. Its sopposed to keep the majority from oppressing the minority. There's more to it, since it's roots are based in giving slave states a leg up but in essence it's not a terrible idea. It could be implemented better.

The US as it's name suggests is a group of disparate states. With very different cultures, racial makeup, and histories.

We could do better, but Trump is not the way.

If you care about Palestine, keep in mind that Trump said in his debate with Biden that Biden was holding Isreal back.

So much so that Biden himself was becoming a Palestinian. Trump then said "Isreal should be allowed to finish the job."

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

Oh I know, thanks for trying to educate me, I know a bit more than I appear to lol.

I know Trump is worse, it's just a damn effn shame that the people have to vote for genocide to avoid him, if only Garland didn't drag his feet, ya know?

Biden is a proud Zionist..

They all bow down to Israel, no matter what they do. This is what sickens me beyond belief.

I know Trump is HORRIBLE but we gotta recognize why and how he's been able to run again after all that hell through his 4 years in power.

Ok, so If Kamala wins tomorrow, and Trump loses... what will happen then? There's no big bad threat anymore to clutch to, are we gonna see some accountability starting next year like we were all expecting 4 years ago?

It just seems like an endless loop to me, I'm sure Democrats will find some other big bad guy to frighten people to vote for them again, another threat to democracy, another most consequential election, but... when do the bad guys, get what's coming to them?

Will Kamala's choice for DOJ drag their feet again? Will we see some Republican congressmen in cuffs for their part in 1/6, 4 years ago? Are we going to see some fundamental changes this time? Will the US actually live up to all of it's claims?

I dunno!

I hope they can change their ways but given both parties take AIPAC money, I dunno..

The longer this genocide goes on, the less credibility the US gov't has.

I'm just frustrated, I don't mean to sound rude or insult you if you are an American, but when the US sneezes, the world catches it's cold. When the world wants a ceasefire in Gaza, the US vetoes it..

I dunno... I just don't know anymore.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

I did a custom search for years ago, this seems to be a regular occurrence.

https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2018-04-03/montana-democrats-sue-to-block-green-party-from-ballots

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/08/dc-ranked-choice-ballot-measure-open-primaries-lawsuit/

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

The first one is better the second has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Not specifically anyway. Personally I think ranked choice is a good idea.

Curious though. If you're all about 3rd parties and not just about splitting votes for the GOP does it only bother you when Dems do it?

https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/republican-party-joins-as-defendant-in-lawsuit-to-keep-candidate-off-ballot/article_f14be7ba-1d44-11ef-a76c-17307cc1fbc2.html

Fortune is a Right leaning publication and even they can see the GOP is using 3rd parties to interfere with the vote.

RFK Jr. Was bankrolled by a Republican megadoner.

If the 3rd party candidates are OK with being GOP tools on the presidential elections. Why would anyone take them seriously?

https://fortune.com/2024/09/02/republican-network-funds-third-party-candidates/

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24

It bothers me when both parties do it, what gets me is that dems are supposed to be better. We ALL know how horrible the GOP is, it's like preaching to the choir, over and over and over again. When I see AIPAC bankrolling BOTH parties and they're FINE with it? THAT I have a problem with, don't you?

I know how vile they are, this is what infuriates me, when I watched nearly 2 years ago, Democrats bring actual popcorn while swearing in these seditionists without any objection, when Glenn Kushner mentioned the 14th Amendment when that was happening and all they did was mock the GOP, that's when I lost faith in them. It's like Democrats give up too easily, too quickly. At least they tried, right? *sigh*

I thought we'd see some ACTUAL accountability when the GREAT GARLAND got in, but he took over 2 years to appoint Smith, giving Trump all the leeway to run again, he has nuclear secrets of America's allies and he's running again. Now SCOTUS says he's immune for "official acts" WTF!?

I know all about vote splitting, but dude... don't you think the US political system is insane?

Every other party that aren't dems, are GOP plants, every single one of them? This sounds like a GOP talking point lol, no offense.

RFK is a POS, I know that. I'm just saying that it's crazy to observe a country that speaks about Democracy all the effn time when they are not a fully functional one. It's like all the self praise about spreading FREEDOM and LIBERTY and DEMOCRACY and then we see how US elections operate. I'm just fed up with all the elitism.

For a country that speaks about law and order all the time and mentions corruption in other countries, it's kinda funny to watch them.

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u/chrisp909 Nov 04 '24

It bothers me when both parties do it, what gets me is that dems are supposed to be better.

Again, when you have the GOP blatantly using 3 parties as a weapon, like the right wing article is admitting, what do you think the Dems should do? They are using the law to protect themselves.

I don't disagree with much of what you've said. The US has high aspirations for itself but often doesn't live up to our own expectations of others.

We do seem to be waking up to the oppression we've fostered by Isreal. It's something I've been trying to raise awareness about for years.

Thing is I'm atheist and the support for Isreal is largely religious. We have a lot of religious nut jobs. Talking sense or logic to a zealot is next to impossible.

I just voted, now I have to get back to work.

There's rarely a perfect choice when electing someone to run a country. This election it's pretty obvious who the best choice was.

Hope you have a good day.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

*sigh*

Yeah... I agree with mostly everything you said as well.

Well good luck tomorrow! The entire world needs some stability.

Take care, good chat.

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u/EnterTamed Nov 04 '24

Yeah, the political system is old; only White property owning men over 21, got to decide originally. Those rights have been "expanded" to more people, by allowing poor, women, black,... To participate. Is it perfect now? No, but these rights were won when average people fought for them. We can't allow it to slide back.

Genocide usually has a logic; Israel Jews are in the minority, in the land Trump wants to give them (Greater Israel). Why Israel is doing apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. To maintain the Jewish majority, ethnostate.

Trump is a megalomaniac, he wants to be remembered as a dictator. Why he did "fake electors", fascist divide and conquer, talks nuking Iran, killing Iranian general, shooting George Floyd protestors,... Does Iranian lives don't matter? We can save them. Think George Bush and Iraq, it can always get worse. (Not to mention that Trump doesn't believe in Global warming.)

When you are fighting to expand rights, you don't want to have a psychopath as your opponent.

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

True true.

It's a shame Garland sat on his hands for over 2 years before appointing Smith. The fact that Trump is free and able to run again shows how f*cked up the US gov't and it's "law and order" really is.

If Democracy is so important, they should have hit the ground running day 1 of Biden's admin.

Sadly it looks like both parties want to continue this insanity. Democratic leaders blame the Republicans for sh*t while not doing anything about them. Good cop/Bad cop. Both horrible cops.

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u/EnterTamed Nov 04 '24

There's also the Overton window; Bernie was more popular after 2 terms of Obama, than after Trump. When we win the Overton window shift in our favor. After Trump won, he normalized right wing positions, that centrists also had to adopt. Imagine if Trump normalizes sending US anti-genocide protestors to black Sites or something...

If we don't want "good cop bad cop", we must stop the "bad cop"... (Do centrists want right-wing to win? Yes, they want the Overton window to move to the center again, that's there the oligarchs like it)

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

I agree!

But that good cop Garland waited over 2 years, that's what gets me. It all seems to be going further right to me, both Cheney's endorsing Kamala? That doesn't look good.

To me it looks like the good cop is working WITH the bad cop. Good cop has an excuse to blame the bad cop and it just continues. When I see both cops taking AIPAC money, taking advantage of Citizens United, it's... not a good look.

Admit it. Republicans have broken politics.

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u/EnterTamed Nov 04 '24

Republicans are like "the dog to caught the car"; they won (Reagan landslide,...) and moved the Overton window so far right, that Bill Clinton had to campaign to the right of George H bush.... But their policies are not popular now (look at project 25, they have to manufacture Trans-panic and shit ...)

So Mitch McConnell's "chicken race" strategy of blocking democracy, implying oligarchs had to go with the Republicans "if they wanted anything done". Mitch gave us the "fascist environment" people like Noam Chomsky warned about (way before Trump)👉 you need a strong man to get things done, "democracy game doesn't work"... Thanks Mitch!

To be fair, it's not just Cheney what realize that democracy is threatened;

Trump is in a way worse that previous fascists, because of Trump's support... Here is what the leading "Fascists scholar" Robert Paxton said recently in NYT:

At his home in the Hudson Valley, I read back to him one of his earlier definitions of fascism, which he described as a “mass, anti-liberal, anti-communist movement, radical in its willingness to employ force . . . distinct not only from enemies on the left but also from rivals on the right.” I asked him if he thought it described Trumpism. “It does,” he said. Nonetheless, he remains committed to his yes-no paradigm of accuracy and usefulness. “I’m not pushing the term because I don’t think it does the job very well now,” Paxton told me. “I think there are ways of being more explicit about the specific danger Trump represents.”

When we met, Kamala Harris had just assumed the Democratic nomination. “I think it’s going to be very dicey,” he said. “If Trump wins, it’s going to be awful. If he loses, it’s going to be awful too.” He scoured his brain for an apt historical analogy but struggled to find one. Hitler was not elected, he noted, but legally appointed by the conservative president, Paul von Hindenburg. “One theory,” he said, “is that if Hindenburg hadn’t been talked into choosing Hitler, the bubble had already burst, and you would have come up with an ordinary conservative and not a fascist as the new chancellor of Germany. And I think that that’s a plausible counterfactual, Hitler was on the downward slope.” In Italy, Mussolini was also legitimately appointed. “The king chose him,” Paxton said, “Mussolini didn’t really have to march on Rome.”

Trump’s power, Paxton suggested, appears to be different. “The Trump phenomenon looks like it has a much more solid social base,” Paxton said. “Which neither Hitler nor Mussolini would have had.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/magazine/robert-paxton-facism.html

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

Well hopefully Kamala will win tomorrow or the next few days, and hopefully we'll hear the last of that guy forever. I fear the Trump stench will linger on in congress for decades.

Still irks me how seditionists were sworn back into congress like nothing happened.

I only hope this time that Kamala won't follow Biden's path at nothing will fundamentally change.

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u/EnterTamed Nov 04 '24

💯 let's hope. Fun talking with you, catch you later❤️

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u/kyleruggles Nov 04 '24

Likewise, buddy! The entire world needs a sane USA! And I live above them lol.

Take care!

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u/sushisection Nov 04 '24

all cops are bad though. even the "good cop". the good cop will have you convinced that voting for a genocide is in your best interests.