It seems as though the cards were stacked against her but if some things had changed would the grass really be greener?

1. She wanted to be Queen: if this had somehow happened, she wouldn’t have been a good Queen. They often lament about if Margot and Elizabeth switched places but we saw time and time again that Margot would have failed and I think would have been very unhappy in the box she’d have to be put in as Queen. We often are reminded that the crown needs to be neutral and sort of a blank canvas if you will and Margot could not have been that, at least not without being horribly miserable

2. If she’d been allowed to marry Peter: since we see he ends up marrying a 19 year old, this relationship was all sorts of weird. It’s interesting to me the way she still parties even when they’re together and I don’t know how that dynamic would work with someone older like him. They had more of a trauma bond than a relationship and had nothing in common and not a lot of compatibility

3. Them siding with her instead of Tony: it shocks me how the royal family always sides with the men (see: Diana having affairs vs. Charles) and in this instance I think they really dismiss her and prop up her husband which is so sad when they’re her family

I know there are more instances where it could have gone one way or the other but I see these two as the ones that shaped her most. I feel sad for her and just don’t think happiness was in the cards for her

This is from the mini museum, and is no bigger than a crumb.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81609374

Just started this and so far it is excellent! The actor portraying Churchill in the fictionalized recreated scenes is astounding.

Churchill is one of the few characters I would definitely watch a spinoff about. I’m not sure Peter Morgan would be the best to develop it though, he seems to like taking liberty with the characters quite a bit and this docuseries implies there’s a lot of truth to Churchills biographies and he’s interesting enough without embellishment.

If you loved Jon Lithgows portrayal and found the man interesting, you may enjoy this.

Rewatching from the start at the moment and it just hit me why Churchill immediately takes to the new secretary/assistant Venetia Scott and seems to be very fond of her.

She's in the first couple episodes until S1E4 where she gets hit by the bus during the dense fog. Churchill goes to the hospital and is clearly very upset about her death.

In S1E9 he's talking with Graham Sutherland about their paintings when he starts telling the story about his daughter Marigold who passed when she was really little.

He describes her as having "beautiful golden curls", which is the exact type of hair Venetia Scott had.

And that's why I think he was so fond of her from the get-go.

On yet another rewatch and this episode gets more and more upsetting each time. I know it’s been dramatised but the facts remain that Charles called his time at Gordonstoun “a prison sentence”. I can’t bear that old school ‘tough love’ approach to parenting, especially when it comes to boys. My own parents sent my older brother away to school at a similar time and he was scarred for life too. So much trauma.

And as someone who can’t bear team sports or any sort of ‘challenge’, I really feel for Charles. I hated every moment of PE at school but am now a seasoned solo hiker and yogi. Not everything has to be a team effort, and not everything has to be a struggle to overcome.

Forgive me if this has been discussed before but I am so puzzled at their marriage/relationship. It seems so in genuine and especially when we learned she wasn’t faithful in s2e6 I have to wonder what the point is? It almost feels as though the marriage is hiding something or that it was a cop out for abdicating? They seem way too showing about their love and it just doesn’t seem like they truly care because they care about eachother, more like they care so he can use the treatment of her as an excuse to behave the way he does????

I know the show isn’t an accurate portrayal of real events but were there real signs that they didn’t really love each other?

Does anyone know the soundtrack to when the Egyptians are seizing the Suez Canal from the Brits just as Nasser is giving his speech?

Yes I know that the Queen Elizabeth said in an episode of The Crown that she only ever loved Prince Phillip and Porchey was just a friend, but had she loved Porchey he would have been 100% a better husband the Phillip. They had so much mutual respect for each other and had so much in common. It was like Porchey saw her, the women Elizabeth Windsor, not the crown, he understood her. They would have been so happy together. What has really solidified in me the TV Porchey was such a good man and a good friend, and would have been a good husband to Queen Elizabeth is in a scene in season 2 episode 8 Dear, Mrs. Kennedy, when Prince Phillip fought, pretty much tooth and nail to be sat beside Jackie Kennedy and was talking, no, flirting with her the entire dinner, completely shutting his wife, the damn QUEEN OF ENGLAND. Then, Queen Elizabeth feeling ignored and second best looks around the room and her eyes land on Porchey, who sees her, acknowledges her and smiles, it wasn't much but it has better then her own husband gave her that night, the way she just smiled and looked away, feeling special and seen. Idk if this is really a post about how good Porchey was to the Queen or just a post to hate on Prince Phillip in season 1 and 2.

I'm not from the UK and Margaret Thatcher's time in office was before my time so I really don't much about her, but I have heard that she was extremely divisive with pretty much nobody having a mixed opinion on her. But in the show, I don't think they mention or cover anything positive that she did for the UK or Commonwealth. So I am wondering how she was so divisive since the only sorta kinda positive thing I've heard about her is that she was "tough" but it feels like that compliment is just people searching for crumbs of good attributes.

So, I have been binging the Crown, and I am now into S3. So, the vibe in all that I have seen is so heavy! And..... I figured out that it is the music. OMG that music is incredible! I really dig how dark and heavy the music is. I have S1-4 soundtracks on vinyl. Almost every time I listen, I am transported..... to another time, and space. Plus now that the Northern Hemisphere is in Winter, it kind of heavy anyway! So, it is so cool to throw on some music, just look outside, and wham! Transport time!

It’s hard to believe that The Crown ended one year ago today. After six incredible seasons, this masterpiece chronicling the life and reign of Queen Elizabeth II left a lasting legacy in television history. From the early days of Claire Foy as the young Queen to Olivia Colman’s steady mid-reign portrayal, and finally, Imelda Staunton’s emotional farewell to the role, the series captured the complexity of the monarchy and its impact on modern history.

What are your favorite memories, performances, or episodes from the series? Did it change how you view the Royal Family or the events of the 20th century?

Let’s honor the show and share our thoughts on this remarkable journey.

It doesn’t feel like a full year! It went by way to fast!

(I'm sorry if the GIF doesn't work!) I haven't watched the last few seasons of The Crown yet, but from the clips and pictures I've seen, Olivia Williams really resembles Queen Camilla well. I'm looking forward to seeing if she gets her mannerisms and personality right too. Do you think she was a good casting choice?

Firstly, a few things I just wanna get off my chest:

• My favourite PM was by far Harold Wilson. He was so awkward and his relationship with the queen was cute to watch. My second favourite was Margaret Thatcher. Even though she was a misogynist, was unwilling to sanction Apartheid South Africa (I'm South African btw), and I didn't agree with anything she did really, she was great TV. Third favourite was Churchill.
• The Queen Mother, particularly in seasons 1 to 4, was insufferable and had such as nasty spirit.
• My favourite Elizabeth was probably Olivia Colman, followed by Claire Foy then Imelda Staunton.
• My season ranking would be Season 3 > Season 2 > Season 4 or Season 1 (not sure which one I enjoyed more) > Season 6 > Season 5.
• HBC, Matt Smith, Josh O'Connor and Erin Doherty were my favourite portrayals of their respective characters. Everyone else is either even or I didn't care for them enough to have an opinion (or I just don't remember them at the moment).
• The theme titled 'Charles' was so overplayed that I chuckled whenever it was in a scene. I love the song but it never got a break even when Charles was not there.
• The finale was absolutely beautiful.
• Apparently people don't like Princess Margaret but she was one of my favourite characters from seasons 1 to 4, probably because I just liked her actresses. She doesn't do much in the last two seasons plus I got her mixed up with Anne a lot but she was great nonetheless.

If Queen Elizabeth had come to the throne later in life and been more confident in her position, do you think she would have been more firm about Charles being the first Mountbatten King? Or that the government might have accepted her wishes? Or would it not have mattered?

Or do you think by that point Philip would have felt more secure and not insisted upon it?

Rewatching this for Nth time. What I’m now realizing is this could’ve been a Top 5 episode if they had nailed the JFK casting.

Halfway through S2, and kinda dreading the switch in S3. Not that I don’t love the S3-4 cast, but I’m reaaaally feeling this group on rewatch and this era and think I could easily do 40 more episodes with them.

Now to be clear, I’m not saying cover the entire reign with the same cast, just squeeze four more seasons across a few more years with Matt, Vanessa and Claire.

Hi all!

I've already shared this in r/Britain but figured I'd post it here, too, since watching The Crown is what sparked this project in the first place.

I'm currently taking a crisis communications course in university and am writing about Tampongate/Camillagate for my final crisis response analysis. All of my research so far has given me the rundown of the situation, but I'm struggling to find anything about how the family actually responded to the release of the recordings. As I am both American and born a decade after the crisis, my research is a bit limited to whatever I can find online or in various biographies.

So for those of you who were alive and in Britain at the time, what do you remember about the media's response, the public's response, and especially the response of the family themselves? I know the media were pretty nasty towards Camilla for ages, but what did the royal family say about it? Were there any official statements released from Buckingham Palace or the royal household? Or was their strategy more shut up and pretend it never happened? Did go so far as to deny it?

Has Charles (or any of the other parties involved) ever publicly said anything about the situation? I know he admitted to the longterm affair in an interview a few years later, but I'm looking for specifics about the public/official response, and google is mostly just showing me fluff pieces from gossip rags.

Please let me know what you remember! (and please be respectful, I know this is a sensitive topic)

Just seen him play a priest. Waiting for him to say “Too many blacks”