The right wing media's entire business model depends on strawmanning the libs, causing conservatives to see them as "other" and being willing to discriminate against them. Then when libs don't want anything to do with conservatives (such as going no contact with MAGA family members), it confirms their biases, making them stand their ground even more.
That's the problem but the rich, which control everything, will never allow it to spread it's more beneficial to instigate infighting amongst the poorest. Like crabs in the bucket
I just can't fathom how someone could be THAT rich and powerful and STILL feel like its not enough. Just go to therapy instead of strangling the proverbial puppies that are poor people with shitty health insurance.
Right wing politics is generally about that there should be a hierarchy and that it is natural and good. The people at the top deserve their things and the people at the bottom deserve their lot as well. This is the definition of Right Wing politics.
The only people that believe the right wing is going to help "the average joe" or working man have not been paying attention to current events or history.
It is the rich vs the people. But right wing politics is antithetical to an equitable society.
You are absolutely correct, a couple studies even confirmed this. The strongest predictor of conservative affiliation is ascribing to a just-world belief system.
I keep seeing people saying that we shouldn't be isolating them by refusing to spend time with them, but to me that's like saying that we should solve the incel crisis by fucking them.
We just don't like them and if the only way to fix their issues is to give up our happiness, then they're just gonna have to have issues then. 🤣
Esp since all they have to do is be better people. Their lack of self-improvement isn't our responsibility.
I suppose they're more likely to become better people if they aren't isolated. But it's definitely not like they can't do it on their own. And they could be the ones reaching out. Also I suppose we can't expect anybody to devote their time to the cause of educating them
Yeah, like we're solution-oriented people but we can't solve everything. It takes SO much mental energy to help a person actually realize the faults in their logic or personality. We've all tried.
Also, it mostly comes down to laziness. They're too lazy to ever put in the amount of effort it would take to be empathetic to another person. When it comes to lazy people, I'll be lazy too. 🤣
We were literally trying to build bridges with them throughout the 90s, 00s, and early 2010s, and all it lead to was Trump and MAGA and greater division and polarization.
There is no sense in continuing a tactic that spectacularly failed after more than two decades.
Yep! They'd gaslight us telling us that they aren't racist/sexist/homophobic, so then we started calling them out on everything—including the micro-aggressions—to show them what we mean since they thought we were exaggerating.
And instead of improving, they just got angry at us for pointing it out. 🙄
Like, personally, I used to throw around the f-slur casually. A friend of mine asked me to stop doing it, and I stopped. I think people who are interested in self-improvement will do it when asked. Meanwhile, these other people won't stop being racist/sexist/homophobic... they just want you to stop calling them those words. 🤣
How crazy would it be for one dude to kill a CEO for normal working people to finally start to realize we're being hosed by the rich elite class and strung along for their benefit?
I hope this trend sticks because there's mostly no reason for us to be fighting with each other.
Arguing back makes them stand their ground, but going no contact doesn't. What's the point of standing your ground if the 'enemy' isn't attacking in the first place?
Cutting off association is an “attack,” just a passive one. It further reenforces their beliefs and makes them dig their heels in.
But so fucking what. We’ve tried for 2+ decades to play nice, and it led to Citizens unified and Trump. It won’t have much of an impact on the older generations, but if the new generations grow up realizing that certain beliefs aren’t tolerated, they’ll be less likely to tolerate them themselves.
You might like to read The Big Sort by Bill Bishop. It has been going on, this self-applied segregation of sorts, encouraging the formation of real world echo chambers, for much longer than I understood.
You are being a tad disingenuous right now. People on the left aren't being told to go no contact with MAGA people, they are choosing to do so because they want to avoid the constant negativity and stress of being around someone like that.
No one is forcing other people to stop getting with their family. The setiment is "you don't have to continue forcing yourself to be around people who either actively or passively show they don't care about your wellbeing."
Are you honestly saying you disagree with that? If the right has accountability(lol, that's certainly not the case in the politicians they support) they would understand that it's their behavior driving away people. But they don't, they insist it's brainwashing, that it's unfair to react to their behavior with a refusal to associate.
I’m really over this “dehumanization” argument and that it’s both sides. Yall think it’s dehumanizing when people are called out for being Nazis/racists and we aren’t nice to them. Conservatives dehumanize people for being minorities … and get power …
Like why are we even entertaining this? Conservatives as a whole are not dehumanized at all in the same way, even if you want to argue that it’s “dehumanizing” how liberals talk about them. No one is coming after you for your identities. They come after you for your fucking beliefs, practices. and actions. You guys can decide to change those, you’re not stuck being a conservative. Black people cant change their skin color just because someone is racist.
So no, it is not the same. Liberals do not do the same thing even if you want to argue it’s dehumanizing.
I don’t think it is, you have 0 right to come after my rights as a person and then get upset I am rude to you. That’s not dehumanizing. Me pointing out that conservatives have consistently taken away my rights and are still doing it so I won’t speak to them isn’t “dehumanizing” it’s called I have a backbone.
You guys decided that my identities were something you “could debate” so, yea. The minorities you guys sit around and talk about “well idk. I don’t think trans people should be able to do XYZ” arent really nice to you. That’s kinda how it fucking works.
Also, until you can find any democrat who is in office who has called to outlaw straight marriage or dehumanized anyone the way that immigrants, poc, and lgbt people have been dehumanized by the conservatives it isn’t “liberals do the same”. Theres current conservatives in office who post consistently calling to take away gay marriage. Until you can find any democrat president who openly mocked able bodied people, as Trump did to disabled people, it’s not the same. We can literally see in reality how you guys treat people. It. Is. Not. The. Fucking. Same. At. All.
We need to stop entertaining the idea that it is the same LMAO. It isn’t. You guys don’t even get your hand held that much, you’re shitty people who voted to take peoples rights. Minorities don’t like you because of that. That isn’t dehumanizing. You’re just upset minorities didn’t roll over and let you fuck up our lives.
Y’all would have been sitting there telling black people they were “doing the same” when trying to get equal rights in the 1960s. Or when Jewish people were calling out what Hitler was doing. It’s insane that you guys think minorities talking about what you’ve done to them is dehumanizing. Minorities directly affected by your laws will not be nice to you, that’s not dehumanizing. That’s called reality.
Well, have conservatives tried not idolizing fascist dictators, voting to take away basic human rights, or really just not saying ridiculously hateful rhetoric for five minutes?
It kind of makes it difficult for liberals to find common ground or a means to be decent to people that will not do the same for them.
I understand what you're saying as there are absolutely pockets of dehumanization in leftist circles. However, they typically do not have viewership in the millions like Fox News, Daily Wire, etc. whose whole business model relies either on dehumanizing minorities or discrediting establishments such as our elections and the scientific community.
The rich are waging a class war, and the average person is completely oblivious (most Dems/left), or complicit (most Reps/right). Here's Tucker Carlson just saying it out loud...
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u/Phantereal 19d ago
The right wing media's entire business model depends on strawmanning the libs, causing conservatives to see them as "other" and being willing to discriminate against them. Then when libs don't want anything to do with conservatives (such as going no contact with MAGA family members), it confirms their biases, making them stand their ground even more.