He was totally fine with slavery, and his biggest followers were all openly homophobic.
Its a common misconception due to how slave/servant was translated. But he definitely wasn't pro-slavery. His teachings may not have been explicitly anti-slavery, but nothing he said implied that he was perfectly fine with it either.
Jesus definitely wasn’t homophobic.
He may have had an egalitarian message when it comes to gender because of some versions of Paul’s letters, but it’s still debated if the egalitarian ones were the original ones or the changed ones.
You're talking about Paul, not Jesus. I feel it's important to remember that the New Testament was written by others and that Jesus wasn't even there for much of it. I can understand why you may come to the conclusion that Christianity promotes homophobia, but Jesus was pretty explicit about not being hateful. His disciples having different opinions is a big flaw in the whole religion, though. Big reason why I couldn't stick with that bs.
Paul was Jesus’ most important disciple and if you’re Christian you believe that Jesus directly talked to him several times through visions and picked him to deliver his message along with the apostles. Do you think Jesus would’ve picked a homophobe if he thought being pro-lgbt was important? Remember, at this time gay people, at least gay men, were a normal part of society: he could’ve spread his message and not have been anti-gay.
Paul, Peter, John, and his various disciples were handpicked to spread his message, I think any of their views are very likely to have been what Jesus believed too or else he’d have picked someone else.
Paul wasn't Jesus' "most important disciple". Paul never even met Jesus, and spent most of his life killing Jesus' followers. If you deny that sentence, you deny both the words of the Bible and the history of the church.
Then, after his "miraculous conversion" on the Road to Damascus, he suddenly became one of three de facto leaders of the church?! How? Why? It makes no sense! Dude was clearly a grifter and decided if he can't destroy them from the outside, he'd destroy them from the inside AND IT WORKED! And for all of history ever since then, the church has constantly been fighting about what books belong in the Bible and about how to interpret the ones that they agree on, so for me to deny that Paul ever talked to Jesus (whom he never met) shouldn't be controversial, and yet here we are.
Paul is the essence of everything that's wrong with Christianity. He taught some good things, he taught some bad things, and regardless of either of those, he DID horrible things that should've precluded him from being in the position he ended up in, but because he DID end up in that position, murderers, child molesters, and other terrible people can claim that God saved them, that they're now good godly people, and next thing you know they're in positions of power that allow them to abuse people with no repercussions. That is the legacy of Paul.
I'm not claiming that there's no repentance and salvation, I'm just saying that Christians have historically been bad judges of character and just accept people's word that they've changed, and then cover up for those people when they prove they haven't, rather than admitting they made a mistake.
The single biggest cause of atheism is Christians. I could continue the quote, but don't need to. A true statement is a true statement.
By “Jesus’ most important discipline” I meant that he had the biggest impact on Christian history out of all the disciples not that he was Jesus’ favorite (that would be Peter). Sorry for the confusion.
And hey if you don’t like Paul and his message then more power to you, but most Christians don’t think that way unfortunately. :/
Disciples are anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus. His apostles were the 12 closest to him but everyone else were his disciples, including Christians today. At least that’s what I was taught growing up
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u/BlackBoiFlyy 20d ago edited 20d ago
Its a common misconception due to how slave/servant was translated. But he definitely wasn't pro-slavery. His teachings may not have been explicitly anti-slavery, but nothing he said implied that he was perfectly fine with it either.
Jesus definitely wasn’t homophobic.
You're talking about Paul, not Jesus. I feel it's important to remember that the New Testament was written by others and that Jesus wasn't even there for much of it. I can understand why you may come to the conclusion that Christianity promotes homophobia, but Jesus was pretty explicit about not being hateful. His disciples having different opinions is a big flaw in the whole religion, though. Big reason why I couldn't stick with that bs.
Edit: typos and clarifications