r/ROI • u/CautiousListen5914 • Aug 18 '24

🇺🇸 AmeriKKKa Ukrainian troops abduct civilians, their hands bound, blindfolded, they are taken away in trucks, beaten, and then disappear. Numerous reports of these types of abductions in the Kursk region.

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u/ForestBear11 Aug 22 '24

Sure, but so does Russia as well. Take into account PMC Wagner whose members exhibit Neo-Nazi symbolics under Russian tricolor. Btw it's a Vlasovite flag of Russian Nazi collaborationists who had served in the ROA - Russian Liberation Army.

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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 22 '24

So you support Nazis because you think there's Nazis on both sides? Where did you hear this about Wagner?

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u/ForestBear11 Aug 22 '24

I'm Russian myself and my great-grandfathers fought the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War 1941-45. But what Russia has done in Ukraine since 2022 is an outragious act that I cannot approve. Putin gives zero fuck about the Russian-speaking minority in South-East Ukraine nor about the occasional cases of Nazi parades in West Ukraine. He simply needs more lands for imperial ambitions, preferably destroyed into ruins.

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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 22 '24

What Russia has done is respond (eventually) to US/NATO aggression and constant provocations. Surely you approve of denazifying Ukraine? Or did you believe them when they told you there were no Nazis in Ukraine?

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u/ForestBear11 Aug 22 '24

What US/NATO aggression? Did NATO attack any Russian city or region? Does NATO as a military organization pose a threat to the ordinary people of Russia or Putin's imperialist ambitions?

When speaking of Ukraine, I do know there are Nazis in Ukraine. But so are in all countries across the world. There are Neo-Nazis in Russia, United States, Germany, France, Britain, Japan, China, even in Brazil. But it's not a valid reason to invade a country. It's barely a "denazification" when a belligerent strikes a country's cities, targeting schools, hospitals, houses, killing thousands of innocent people from newborn babies to the elderly. Are babies or children "Nazis" according to Putin's logic?

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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 22 '24

What US/NATO aggression?

Really? You don't think constantly expanding towards Russia's borders, organising coups on its borders, funding and arming extremists and threatening to install nuclear weapons on its borders, none of that is provocative?

If Russia was doing the same in Mexico or Cuba do you think the USA would see it as aggressive or provocative?

Did NATO attack any Russian city or region?

Doesn't need to, see above.

Does NATO as a military organization pose a threat to the ordinary people of Russia or Putin's imperialist ambitions?

Well of course, to both? Not sure Putin has "imperialist" ambitions as such but it's not really relevant.

There are Neo-Nazis in Russia, United States, Germany, France, Britain, Japan, China, even in Brazil.

None of those states are being run by Nazis. None of them are running child Nazi indoctrination camps, nor are they renaming streets after Nazis and having national holidays for Nazis. Their military don't wear Nazi symbols. It's not nearly the same thing.

But it's not a valid reason to invade a country.

The allies thought differently in WW2.

It's barely a "denazification" when a belligerent strikes a country's cities, targeting schools, hospitals, houses, killing thousands of innocent people from newborn babies to the elderly. Are babies or children "Nazis" according to Putin's logic?

This sounds like the kind of thing the Israelis and western propaganda said about October 7th.