r/ROI • u/CautiousListen5914 • Aug 18 '24
🇺🇸 AmeriKKKa Ukrainians looting and stealing in Kursk region… then bragging about it. Shameless.
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u/ykcs Aug 18 '24
That’s well deserved i would say.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
Elaborate?
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u/ykcs Aug 18 '24
Do you live under a rock? Did you know ANYTHING the Russian Army did to the Ukrainian civilians? Come on, man….
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u/Perfect-Fondant3373 Aug 18 '24
Nevermind that, they compacted the bodies of their own dead and put them on pallets to ship back to Russia
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
Fill us in my man. Surely you've got some evidence for this?
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u/bw_mutley Aug 18 '24
he/she will probably come up with some BBC make up about civilians casualities. Meanwhile there are videos of russian tanks stoping in front of ukraniann civilians protesting. he/she will also never mention the Ukranian governement shelled DPR/LPR for 8 years killing 14,000 civilians before the russian intervention.
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
We're not allowed to talk about what happened before 2022.
There is no history before 2022 Russia just did that for no good reason.
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u/PremiumVoy Aug 18 '24
I know you know that the 14,000 figure isn’t just civilians. Why are you letting disinformation go unchecked on your sub?
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 19 '24
It's not my sub, it's our sub.
We don't suppress anything other than personal attacks and fascism on this forum. So long as users engage in good faith and remain relatively civil we will not remove content.
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u/ReckAkira Aug 18 '24
Fill us in man. This is the cleanest war in modern history due to the combatant vs civilian casualties.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
Answer the question or just stay quiet if you've nothing to say.
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u/Augustus_Chavismo Aug 18 '24
Looting a supermarket for food?! The horror😱
I guess now they’re even with Russia for kidnapping and indoctrinating thousands of Ukranian children 😔
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
I guess now they’re even with Russia for kidnapping and indoctrinating thousands of Ukranian children 😔
That's just another of your far right myths.
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u/Augustus_Chavismo Aug 18 '24
You label anyone who isn’t a Russian imperialist of being far right.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
You label anyone who isn’t a Russian imperialist of being far right.
Even if it was true that Russia was "imperialist", it's not true in general. What do you get out of making these empty, meaningless claims? Are you just emotional? Take a few deep breaths and try to clam down and think about something real and meaningful to say.
"Kyiv has alleged that 20,000 children have been taken from Ukraine to Russia..."
Yawn...
Kateryna Rashevska, legal expert at the Regional Center for Human Rights, then reported that Russian Federation agents have taken at least 19,546 children
This woman is from Kiev. Also yawn.
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u/Augustus_Chavismo Aug 18 '24
Even if it was true that Russia was "imperialist", it's not true in general.
It is objectively true. Even Russia doesn’t deny that it’s both expanding its territory and influence through invasion.
Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.
What do you get out of making these empty, meaningless claims?
I backed up my claim.
Are you just emotional?
You’re saying this under a post pearl clutching about Ukrainians looting food.
Take a few deep breaths and try to clam down and think about something real and meaningful to say.
Slava Ukraini. All democracies should be free of invasion and dictatorial rulers ambitions.
Yawn...
Which Russia confirmed in their own special way by saying they were saving the kidnapped children.
This woman is from Kiev. Also yawn.
Why would that be a point?
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
It is objectively true. Even Russia doesn’t deny that it’s both expanding its territory and influence through invasion.
The isn't true and besides, it's not what imperialism means.
I backed up my claim.
"You label anyone who isn’t a Russian imperialist of being far right." Shoe me where you backed this up.
You’re saying this under a post pearl clutching about Ukrainians looting food.
Nazi Ukrainians looting, if we use your lib definition we can call them imperialist too.
Slava Ukraini.
Please no Nazi sloganeering here. This is a warning.
All democracies should be free of invasion and dictatorial rulers ambitions.
I completely agree. So you support Russia's liberation then?
Which Russia confirmed in their own special way by saying they were saving the kidnapped children.
And since returned them all.
Why would that be a point?
Why would we believe a support of fascist Ukraine?
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u/Augustus_Chavismo Aug 18 '24
The isn't true and besides, it's not what imperialism means.
That was the oxford definition.
"You label anyone who isn’t a Russian imperialist of being far right." Shoe me where you backed this up.
I pointed out Russia mass kidnapping of children and your response was to call me far right and say my sources weren’t genuine.
Nazi Ukrainians looting, if we use your lib definition we can call them imperialist too.
No we can’t as they’re in a defensive war.
Please no Nazi sloganeering here. This is a warning.
Ukraine fought the Nazis and suffered genocide under them during operation barbarossa.
Ukraine will free itself from Putler as they did with Hitler.
I completely agree. So you support Russia's liberation then?
You support state capitalist oligarchy expanding their bank accounts through conquest.
How can you mod a leftist sub and support Russia? Why don’t you at least stan for a leftist country that doesn’t murder thousands in the name of imperialism and capitalism.
And since returned them all.
So now you’ve gone from saying it isn’t true to saying it is but they undid it? Source for this claim?
Why would we believe a support of fascist Ukraine?
Can you list out the Fascist policies of Ukraine.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
That was the oxford definition.
Indeed.
I pointed out Russia mass kidnapping of children and your response was to call me far right and say my sources weren’t genuine.
Another lie. You said that I called "anyone who isn’t a Russian imperialist far right". Also your source is fascist Ukraine, regardless of the website it's reported on.
No we can’t as they’re in a defensive war.
An American led proxy war of aggression against Russia.
Ukraine fought the Nazis and suffered genocide under them during operation barbarossa.
Some Ukrainians did, most of Ukraine were allied with the Nazis. Like the popular ultranationalist figure Stepan Bandera.
You support state capitalist oligarchy
That's not an answer.
How can you mod a leftist sub and support Russia?
I would support Satan against the USA.
So now you’ve gone from saying it isn’t true to saying it is but they undid it? Source for this claim?
Here hundreds of orphans are returned and all Ukraine has to say about it is that there's thousands more.. Why would they even return any? It's an absurd conspiracy theory.
Can you list out the Fascist policies of Ukraine.
What definition of fascism do you want to use?
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
A 30-strong delegation of Russian officials was sent to Geneva this week for a routine review by the Committee on the Rights of the Child, which oversees whether countries abide by the convention of the same name.
Moscow’s representatives rebuked the accusations once again. “Russia has not been involved in the deportation of citizens of Ukraine,” said Alexey Vovchenko, Russia’s deputy minister of labour and social protection and head of the delegation.
Vovchenko told the experts that some 3,000 children had been “evacuated” from orphanages and care centres from the self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk people’s republics for their own safety to protect them from the hostilites while accusing Ukrainian authorities of not previously caring for the children.
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
There's the left, socialists, communists, marxists, leninists and then there's OP, who has gone so far left he's wound up on the Right by support a full on Russian imperialist dictator with a delusional goal of reestablishing the USSR through imperialist force. Ukraine is hugely flawed, but OP doesn't care, cause as long as the West supports Ukraine, Russia can do no wrong in OPs eyes.
There is literally no point in arguing or pointing out Russias atrocities, because OP will likely respond with 'But USA'
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
support a full on Russian imperialist dictator with a delusional goal of reestablishing the USSR through imperialist force
These are all far right talking points. This is just propaganda. Thinking a scumbag like Putin would want to bring back socialism. LOL. You showed yourself up there with that particularly wacky nonsense. This is Kamala Harris is a communist levels of Trumpian baby talk.
Russia can do no wrong in OPs eyes.
I've often criticised Russia where relevant.
because OP will likely respond with 'But USA'
Whereas the entire thread is "But Russia!" lol. Including your comment.
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u/M2rsho Aug 18 '24
"There is literally no point in arguing or pointing out Russian atrocities, because OP will likely respond with 'But USA'" isn't that exactly what you're doing right now? also do you realise you can criticise one side while not supporting the other one?
edit: unless OP is pro-russia then yeah he's a nut
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
He's very clearly anti usa, anti imperialism and verrrry anti Ukraine. I wouldn't say going by his posts that he is pro-russian, but defo a Russia apologist. Would love to ask OP if he thinks Russias invasion of Ukraine is justified, but he'll likely spout some shit about how Ukraine invaded the donbass first
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
Please keep your liberalism to yourself.
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
Please mod. Show me my liberalism. Is it because I critiqued Putins imperialism AND Ukrainian cronyism? USA imperialism supports Ukraine to ensure that their war machine keeps turning. Putin imperialism ensures that he can get rid of as many ethnic minorities as possible through a deranged war.
USA and Russia are different ends of the same stick
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
Horseshoe theory is a reddit meme loved by the dumbest liberals you will ever meet.
It's not a serious argument or taken seriously by any political scientist on the planet.
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
I never mentioned the horseshoe theory. My point is that a lot of absolute fucking eejits support Russia as they see it as a counter to USA imperialism, totally ignoring the fact that they are fucking identical
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
There's the left, socialists, communists, marxists, leninists and then there's OP, who has gone so far left he's wound up on the Right by support a full on Russian imperialist dictator
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
Never knew there was a theory for ending up supporting a right ring conservative government even though you identify as being on the left. But there you have it
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
It's called liberalism.
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
Ahh, so you're a liberal then?
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 18 '24
Oh you really got me there.
You're boring me I'm not going to reply again.
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Aug 18 '24
Horse shoe theory
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u/MickoDicko Aug 18 '24
Spot on. It's crazy to see. They disagree soooo much with USA imperialism that they see they only counter to be Russia, totally neglecting the absolute fact that Russia is also an imperialist war mongerer with hugely conservative values and is entrenched with the Orthodox church.
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u/broken_neck_broken Aug 18 '24
Ah, the Clare Daly route!
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Aug 18 '24
Good thing we replaced one of the only anti-war voices in the European Parliament with far right ghouls. That really showed Putin.
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u/broken_neck_broken Aug 18 '24
Yeah we played right into his hands by not returning some of his strongest supporters to the European parliament. 🙃
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Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24
Again, an anti war socialist who has been targeted by a McCarthyite witch hunt lead by Michael Martin. Michael Martin as in, the conservative ass wipe who is a shill for the Atlantic Institute ? Who’s big goal is to make it so our constitutional neutrality is overturned the entire country can be made go to war at the beck and call of NATO completely bypassing the current system that requires a vote from the Irish people before we join a war? Same people who are fucking the Ukrainian refugees right now?
Really showed Putin by replacing a socialist MEP with the right wingers who support Von Der Leyen. Ukraine are low on men and they need volunteers. Go for it if you want to really show Clare Daly and the damn Ruskis. Pathetic.
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 19 '24
Really showed Putin by replacing a socialist MEP with the right wingers who support Von Der Leyen.
This is exactly what they wanted.
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Their whole thing is going to Europe to make a big fucking stink about things, to get the radlibs on both sides all riled up so they can feel like they're part of a revolution. They're not. They only do and say the things they do because they know it's all of zero fucking consequence, like basically everything else at that level of politics. It's a theatrical performance by and for people who like to be seen to be radical, but don't actually want much to change.
If you're getting excited over the wordplay of cardboard cutout revolutionaries like Wallace and Daly you are a fucking liberal, end of. Grow up, get involved, and stop treating politics like a spectator sport.
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u/Ivor-Ashe Aug 18 '24
Putin is the origin of this. There was no war until he fabricated his reason to start murdering Ukrainian people, destroying property and demanding ridiculous concessions.
I don’t agree with looting but it pales into insignificance when compared with Russia’s actions.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
I can't believe it's 2024 and there's still people left believing this ridiculous yank bullshit.
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u/Ivor-Ashe Aug 18 '24
And I can’t believe that there are people who can’t believe that the Russian, American, Israeli, Syrian leaders call ALL be wankers, but instead have a worldview where the USA is the only bad guy.
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u/ismailhaniyeahboi Aug 19 '24
There was no war until
Yeah absolutely nothing happened before 2022. Russia just did that.
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u/WintersIsComing95 Aug 18 '24
Well IDK about shameless, maybe quiet justified in this situation given the war they've endured on their country the last few years
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 18 '24
A lot of these are yank mercs and Germans. They started this war and kept it going so fuck em.
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u/WintersIsComing95 Aug 18 '24
Ahh OP honestly It is good to have people see all the different perspectives and make their own decisions with dignity but I suppose I think The opposite of what you think in this matter and there's nothing wrong with either opinion but I respectfully disagree
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 19 '24
there's nothing wrong with either opinion
One is based in western war propaganda and the other is rooted in reality.
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u/WintersIsComing95 Aug 19 '24
Where you from bro?
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 19 '24
I'm from Ireland, you? USA by the sounds of it.
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u/WintersIsComing95 Aug 19 '24
Also Ireland, I'm curious would you give me the long winded version of your thinking?
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u/CautiousListen5914 Aug 19 '24
This war was started by the USA overthrowing Ukraine's democracy in 2014 and installing a puppet Nazi government designed to be a proxy for NATO to threaten Russia. The US believed they could take over Russia again and loot and pillage it like they did in the 90s. With the Iraq war, they lost control of it when Putin refused to help them murder a million plus Iraqis. He was supposed to be their tame, controlled dictator of the place that they were selling off to their oligarchs for pennies.
This was all well understood and known before the massive propaganda avalanche after the 2022 invasion (that Russia tried to avoid for the 8 years prior). Absurd repetition of the "Unprovoked" invasion. Reinventing history to spin a yarn about Russia just deciding to invade to steal land etc.
- Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
Most people think they're immune to propaganda, or that it's just not happening to them, it happens to people in foreign countries.
Here's the news before the invasion:
Forbes - Ukraine Deradicalized Its Extremist Troops. Now They Might Be Preparing A Counteroffensive
The Hill - Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis
Years of the Western (BBC) Media Admitting to Extremism Among Azov Military Units:
BBC - Outside Source, (March 23, 2022)
BBC - Torch-lit march in Kiev by Ukraine's far-right Svoboda Party (2014)
BBC - Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT (2014)
BBC - Ukraine conflict: 'White power' warrior from Sweden (2014)
BBC - Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict (2014)
BBC - Ukraine's most-feared volunteers (2015)
BBC - The far-right group threatening to overthrow Ukraine's government - Newsnight (2015)
BBC - Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight (2018)
BBC - Ukraine coat of arms in UK anti-terror list furore (2020)
BBC - Behind Belarusian 'far-right mercenary' claims (2021)
Al Jazeera - Ukrainian fighters grease bullets against Chechens with pig fat (2022)
The Hill - The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda (2017)
These are all western sources. This was real reporting. I think the question you have to answer is were they lying then? Or are they lying now?
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Aug 18 '24
My God, absolutely horrific!!!! How can they get away with such disgusting war crimes?!! The Guards are to be rang!
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u/RoughAccomplished200 Aug 19 '24
Jaysis can we go easy on the Russian bots that mostly use this thread, keep them trying to persuade us the Ukrainians are the evil ones instead of letting them talk to some gullible Americans
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u/StringGlittering7692 Aug 18 '24
Whereas Russia steals part of an entire country and that's fine?