Indeed, they are 2 sides of the same coin. Extremists on one side are using terrorism, so that the extremists on the other side can get to power, that’s exactly what they want. The far-right rise in the west is exactly what bin Laden and ISIS would have wanted. Because this way they can say to their masses “see, they really hate us”. It’s the same shit everywhere, it’s just a way for the 0.1% to control the 99.9% by make them hate a common enemy.
I actually think you miss a lot if you say that both sides are the same. One side is made up of some of the poorest, most disenfranchised people in the world. The other side gets a blank check from the global superpower and has never faced any real consequences for any of their actions. Are you really saying that they are the same?
i hate bibi but this is absolutely not two sides of the same coin. hamas's only goal is to destroy israel, they dont give a shit about palestinians and actively put them in harm's way. israel just wants to exist without getting attacked. are they too warmongering? yes. but there is no moral equivalence here
Given Bibi's actions I think it probably was a pipe dream any ceasefire deal was possible. We just should have cut military aid. Honestly Biden fucked this all up.
Once the election is over and the Dems don't need the pro Israel voters, they will likely halt shipments of weapons or at least severely reduce them. That is probably why Bibi is doing this now. They know they can't risk anything in this election if they want to win though and are basically BiBis sugar daddy for war
If only the ceasefire would of allowed the return of all hostages, and not the dead bodies of hostages with alive hostages to be agreed on at a later date. Who the fuck would agree to that? It is an insane ceasefire to agree to
Why are whatever hostages even relevant in terms of decisions about war and peace? Criminals take hostages. Good governments pursue criminals. Good governments don't make peace with criminals. There's never any ceasefire with criminals. But you don't bomb towns to get criminals. You do police work to get criminals. I don't get why returning whatever hostages have anything to do with whether Israel should stop bombing Gaza. Bombing Gaza as Israel is doing is collective punishment/demolishing the whole city to get at the criminals. That's a war crime.
I am not sure this benefits trump. if this came from Gaza and biden handed more aid to Israel maybe. This is iran though, GOP and Democrats both don't like Iran
There's a lot of propaganda out there telling people to vote Trump or Stein because Biden is aiding Israel. Never mind the fact that Trump said outright that Palestine would cease to exist, and Stein is a Russian spoiler to take votes from Biden
Don't forget, the extremists in charge of Iran also get their ends... They rile up their base with the whole Israel bad thing (so said an Iranian Taxi driver I chatted to last year).
At this point I'm actually fine saying that Hamas is the lesser evil. They are no angels but at the end of the day, many of them are orphans who grew up in a modern concentration camp. What the hell do you expect them to do? What choice were they really given?
Meanwhile Bibi and the other oligarchs who run Israel are wealthy and powerful men who can live anywhere they want, pursue whatever kind of life they want - and this is what they choose to do. Grotesque.
Israël is getting what they want, a genocide and gain of land on Palestine. The only goal they ever had is to destroy and kill all of Palestine. It was clear since the beginning
Hamas is getting exactly what they wanted - almost a year after October 7th, they have gotten a larger response to Israeli aggression.
Why don't you say why October 7 happened? It's constant land stealing by Israeli settlers from the West Bank and an open air prison in both Gaza and West Bank. Israeli society as a whole sees this as an excellent chance for genocide in Gaza. They are well aware that they won't get a better chance ever again.
It seems like bibi is just a scapegoat so the US and other supporters can say, it was him being evil all along even though they keep supplying weapons to him. Not to mention the various office holders in Israel keep saying to eradicate all the arabs.
The ones calling him evil are not the ones giving him weapons or even supporting that we do that. The ones giving him weapons invite him for speeches and give standing ovations.
The IDF is so fucking bloodthirsty they're killing their own hostages, under a banner of truce. That's so far away from how even the worst regimes treat noncombatants.
You can’t deny this is good for him. Equating him to hamas might be a stretch but they’re playing the same sport. He is pulling a George bush and needs this to remain in power, he was widely unpopular prior to this recent uptick in response to the hamas attack.
Who tf is "you guys"? You're the one making your life politics, you even have triablist politically charged username. Reddit is known for bot farming around election season. I don't need your comfort or consideration.
Yea... politics is pretty fucking important to me. And it should be important to you. We can't really afford apathy right now.
I think the biggest danger of AI/bots right now, is that it allows people to convince themselves that anyone who disagrees with them isn't real. And to live in a delusion that everyone thinks and believes just like they do.
I didn't say you did but you asked if I was comforted.
Yea... politics is pretty fucking important to me. And it should be important to you. We can't really afford apathy right now. I think the biggest danger of AI/bots right now, is that it allows people to convince themselves that anyone who disagrees with them isn't real. And to live in a delusion that everyone thinks and believes just like they do.
I'm interested in neither your biography or opinions.
But what do I know. I'm not real, apparently.
I didn't say you were a bot, that's a straw man argument.
I view the appalling overly destructive response to Oct 7th as the Israeli government lashing out over Hamas not knowing their place and carrying out a large scale attack instead of continuing the status quo that was keeping current Israeli leadership safely in positions of power. Oct 7th threatened Netanyahu so obviously he had to make a response that makes him look good to the Israeli people because that is the only way he wouldn’t be forced out of power for his failures. Anyone denying the fact that Netanyahu uses Hamas for his own gain is just wrong. I fully believe Netanyahu would be willing to start a potential world war if that was the only way for him to remain in power.
Hamas is winning because Israel successfully radicalized a bunch of people who have lost everything because of Israel’s utter contempt for the Palestinian people.
Netanyahu is winning because he has successfully managed to stay in power.
Trump has already released a statement saying this is all Bidens' fault, and this would never have happened with him in office. It's bullshit. But bullshit works.
Why on earth would an unpopular escalated conflict help the administration currently in office?
Because the current admin gets the blame, and by extension Harris gets the blame. While Trump just has to say he will magically fix it (hint: he won’t, and will make it worse). So people are more likely to either sit out the vote or vote for Trump over it.
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u/bubba_bumble Oct 01 '24
War is so dumb. The poorest people suffer the most from politicians and oligarchs who refuse to check their ego.