I have a lot of thoughts and opinions about the Israeli conflicts, but the main thought I have right now is simple:
Iām scared.
Iām scared for everyone involved. Iām scared for the children who will be scarred, maimed, and killed in the fighting. Iām scared for the innocent people caught in the crossfire. Iām scared that this is going to start another world war where death is the only victor. Iām just scared and frightened.
I have a lot of Lebanese and Syrian friends and acquaintances who are thrilled Nasrallah was killed but not at the ongoing war. I hsbe Israeli friends mad at Natanyahu and the IDF. There are no winners until this stops and the hostages are released and the civilian killings end. There are only corrupt governments right now
We can't give him all the credit! The US hands are just as dirty, my friend. It's a coordinated effort and not just the violent tendencies of one unhinged person. If we make it seem like it's just one bad guy, we're giving a pass to every single person and entity profiting from this in one way or another. It's a crime of the west.
Theyāve been attacking Israel in support of Palestinians. Why would ONLY palestinians be able to retaliate against such insane numbers of civilian deaths?
Even 1 big guy stepping in wouldnt make it WW3. It would take 2 big guys stepping in and for them to be opposing one another.
And even that might not do anything, Russia and the US have been slinging dirt at one another for nearly a decade now in Syria and that hasn't gone anywhere.
yea but you get what i mean, once a big guy steps in, another one in the opposing side will jump in aswell, kinda like the relationship between the us and israeli gov and the palestinians relationship with russias gov
another one in the opposing side will jump in aswell, kinda like the relationship between the us and israeli gov and the palestinians relationship with russias gov
But what you just said runs completely counter to what you are saying.
US directly supports Israel and provides munitions and financing, Russia doesnt do anything for the Palestinians.
Russia and China are the only ones who could step in and they are absolutely not starting a world war over fucking Iran or Palestine or really any Middle East interests lol.
Hell we are very openly supporting Russians main opponent this very second in Ukraine and its not escalating at all on the WW3 front.
The only things that could trigger WW3 will be directly related to said countries able to enable it. Taiwan would be the only real WW3 catalyst at this time.
yeah. people don't seem to get that in the scheme of the middle east israel is a pretty chill country. 30k dead is common in the middle east. it's a horiffically messy place and always has been western involvement or not
iāve always said this and it goes for many places over there, you always defend them, but would they defend you if they found out your religion and sexuality? from what iāve seen the middle east is very close minded and they donāt live in harmony knowing their opponent is different
Antisemitism is a genuine problem in many of these countries but itās only exacerbated by the actions of the IDF and Israelās government. Theyāre committing an ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
"Israeli strikes Monday (September 23, 2024) on Lebanon killed more than 490 people, including more than 90 women and children, Lebanese authorities said, in the deadliest barrage since the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war. The Israeli military warned residents in southern and eastern Lebanon to evacuate ahead of its widening air campaign against Hezbollah."
This was just from one day of bombardment. I am sure you can search the internet if you can use Reddit.
But redditors have been telling me for years Russia and China were gonna start WW3????? Are you implying the average redditor doesnāt know what theyāre talking about?!! š±š¤
WW3 with NK was never going to happen. People talk like North Korea actually wants to fuck with America, itās literally a scrawny guy at the bar talking like he could fight an MMA fighter.
I mean, NKās actual card is its treaty with China, so itās more like that fucking YouTube guy who would piss people off then have his bodyguard step in if anyone escalated.
It kind of makes sense? I mean most likely though it would just be a proxy war in that case. Mainly because the U.S. wants to keep peace with China and vice versa.
The U.S. and China donāt want to fight in a military conflict. China is a economic power and wants to win out the U.S. through an economic takeover. Itās why the most militarily crazy thing China has done is send a balloon over and threaten Taiwan a few times, while economically theyāve taken over a vast chunk of our media and products. I mean from the clothes youāre wearing to the website youāre reading this off of, all Chinese owned. They want to make the U.S. and the west economically dependent on China, to pacify the U.S. and so far theyāve been doing a decent job. The U.S. is doing the same to China currently so its almost a symbiotic parasitic relationship currently.
Until something happens in your backyard. Assuming you are American, you should remember one of Bin Laden's main reasons for attakcing on 9/11 was American military support for Israel.
What is a single action by Israel that has demonstrated that they are interested in peacefully coexistence or de-escalation? They use the same tactics because they are only interested in power, not peace
Oh wise one, tell me what you would do if you were in his shoes in response to Israel getting bombed daily by Hezbollah and Hamas for years. Genuinely curious what you think
I know you mean well, but this extremely uninformed. I'm tempted to just go sentence by sentence, but it would take pages. But let's start with the most obvious.
You have got to stop with this concentration camp nonsense. Gaza (pre 2023) has citizens who are healthier, live longer, are better educated, have more kids, and have healthier kids, than their neighbors across the border in Egypt (you know, the country that annexed Gaza last). Like, these are very basic facts that you can establish from any report on Gaza. If you didn't already know this, then you need to reevaluate your 'knowledge'. If you are of the opinion that concentration camps generally result in a healthier, more educated (and locally run education), independently run populace, then, I think you need to read more about concentration camps.
Plus, they had their own government, and had no foreign military occupation. Even still, they launched a huge attack into Israel expressly to kill civilians.
Yeah we saw what the UN stage was used for. Diplomacy isn't going to work when one side is hell bent on destroying their enemies. Doesn't help that one of the superpowers is deciding if to elect a clown as President.
Sorry all those white helmet guys with all the white vehicles are a international military / police force.
That's their entire purpose UN troops. To get in the middle
It's amazing I'm getting down voted for this. The UN instilled Israel, created their state.
This is actually the UN's responsibility. UN troops should have been separating Israel and the Palestinians from the very beginning. Pretty sure we wouldn't have tens of thousands of dead Palestinians right now.
If you haven't been in a war zone with UN peacekeeping troops then you probably don't understand any of this.
I hope the rest of the world understands that there are many in the United States that want to turn Iran into a million square kilometers of glass.
That is all beholden on a nations electorate on how tolerable to direct foreign intervention. And in recent years, it has become very unpopular for certain. The era of Serbian bombing campaigns or the war on terror isnāt something that will probably happen unless a nation gets directly attacked or article 5 is invoked for NATO. The UN still has its uses for being a safe place for diplomats to make negotiations during conflicts.
The Taiwan issue might trigger a conflict between the US and China. They need to trade with us, the same as we do with them. It would hurt both sides, but still it might happen, especially if the US is occupied by Russia and Iran.
There might also be a proxy war. Russia started getting some help from China in war against Ukraine, like drones and some armored vehicles. If Russia gets more help, they might be able to defeat Ukraine and who knows if they will stop there for long
Well, yeah the "Taiwan issue" might.
This is not the "Taiwan issue".
Also, if the Iran-Israel conflict leads to WW3 by affecting the Taiwan-China (potential) conflict then I'd say that's not a very "probable" route to WW3 as implied by the comment.
The UN is a fucking phone line. It's a way for different countries to discuss matters civilly and safely no matter what's happening between them in the world. It keeps diplomatic channels open and dialogue happening. That's it. They aren't a police for, and people need to realize that.
It literally exists for countries to talk to each other no matter what else.
Do they do other things? Yes. But their primary purpose is communication. So it's constantly "done it's job", it's only ever "done it's job".
Not true. See Kosovo and Cyprus for example. The UN blue-helmets are effectively a police force. And they failed miserably on both occasions. The only reason people respect their authority is because eastern countries don't have so big balls yet to say fuck the US
As I said, do they do other thing? Yes. BUT their primary purpose is COMMUNICATION. The other things like using peacekeepers to protect civilians, prevent conflict, deescalate conflicts, or strengthening nations security forces to give them space to reassume that responsibility for themselves... aren't their primary purpose. But it is a tool they can use if and when the general assembly sees a need for it.
There are many examples of the UN Blue helmets succeeding as well. Cambodia, Sierra Leone, Guatemala to name a couple instances.
And the only reason those forces exist, and are sent anywhere, is because of open dialogue / communication... which once again is the purpose of the UN. It's main, primary, purpose.
Iām scared too, and thereās nothing I can do. Everywhere people fighting. Iām tired of watching it and hearing the screams. Iām tired of hoping for peace that never seems to come. These leaders betray their own ideals and kill thousands. But only after millions are dead will they take steps to compromiseā¦ only after they make their trillions.
I hate how many of these completely useless sentiments exist that just both sides a very important and nuanced issue white washing all the real problems away.
israel needs to calm the fuck down with the genocidal behaviour and always escalate strategies.
They are very clearly the one link causing escalation here and Im utterly tired of people turning a blind eye to it to not seem "controversial".
The US is giving israel all it needs to continue this bullshit to pad the wallets of defence contractors, and its fucking over people in multiple countries. Thats the core of everything israel is involved in right now, and their 1 foot in the grave leader is totally fine with it if it keeps his corruption out of the news.
Imagine how scared the millions of Palestinians have been this last year considering they don't have an iron dome or bunkers or any way to defend themselves against Israel's genocide.
It is scary. And it could have been prevented. I just wish people's empathy extended beyond who Western media tells us it's ok to care about.
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u/KimJongFunk Oct 01 '24
I have a lot of thoughts and opinions about the Israeli conflicts, but the main thought I have right now is simple:
Iām scared.
Iām scared for everyone involved. Iām scared for the children who will be scarred, maimed, and killed in the fighting. Iām scared for the innocent people caught in the crossfire. Iām scared that this is going to start another world war where death is the only victor. Iām just scared and frightened.