Most underrated units?

[u/Alittledod]

I feel like there are some characters in OPTC that get so overlooked nowadays because of new units like Luffy/Ace, Judge and Lucy. I thought of Legend Magellan who(like in the manga/anime)is just kinda overlooked despite how cool he is(imo). Same for characters like g-5 Tashigi and 20th anniversary Nami. So it made me think. Are there any characters that you think desperately need more attention even in todays standards?

[u/Kami_Blake_Aur]

Honestly he’s not even better than V1 6+ Lucci. Sure he gives a boost of 4x for max, but he doesn’t even hit a multiplier above 3.5x until the 4th perfect and the boost above 4x is just for the last hit. This isn’t much better than a constant 3.5x boost (if not better at all. I haven’t actually checked). As for his special he gives orbs for one turn while V1 gives them over three (and that turn if combined with an orb randomizer like TM G4). The damage reduction and heal is really good though. All V2 Lucci seems to be is the most consistent and safe PH lead. I’d honestly say that based off of when he came out and his CA he certainly is lackluster (especially for a v2) and doesn’t deserve the praise I’ve seen him get, though i wouldn’t say he sucks

[u/[deleted] → u/Kami_Blake_Aur]

Honestly he’s not even better than V1 6+ Lucci.

That's simply ridiculous

[u/Kami_Blake_Aur → u/[deleted]]

I love when people read a sentence nd reply with a word instead of actually respond or refuting what I said

[u/[deleted] → u/Kami_Blake_Aur]

Didn't know your joke of a claim needed refuting. Ok, lemme do that then.

First of all, you claim V1 Lucci has a constant 3.5x mulitplier, which is obviously not true. And it's only marginally better when your damage is on the lower end. Once you start using specials (on a burst turn for example) V2 Lucci has the higher output.

Next you say V1 Lucci gives you 3 turns of matching orbs which is also a lie. In no universe is a very high chance to get machting orbs as good as actual matching orbs. Think about colosseums with specific orb shuffles or orb rate boosts.

All V2 Lucci seems to be is the most consistent and safe PH lead

Exactly. You said it yourself. He outclasses V1 Lucci by far in every way. He can heal with food orbs (yes that's a big deal) he has a 1.2x HP boost and his special is outright better, too.

Here are some examples of V2 Lucci clearing content V1 Lucci can't (hint: using V2 Lucci or Judge or other friend captains doesn't count as V1 Lucci clearing content) : INV Garp

Burgess Colo

Kizaru Forest

And the list goes on.

[u/Kami_Blake_Aur → u/[deleted]]

Every claim needs refuting, no matter how much of a “joke” you think it is. To brush it aside for whatever reason just makes you look bad. Its the equivalent of being that one guy in the argument that says “um, yeah but I’m right” without actually why. Now on to the task at hand I thank you for being for kind as to grace with a response.

I never once claimed V1 Lucci to be a constant 3.5x boost. Nor did I think I was required to mention that he needed a matching orb when he’s been around so long. It may have been presumptuous on my part. Either way the point was that as far as damage multipliers went V1 and V2 Lucci were pretty much tied during the optimal burst. Whereas V1 gives a 3.5x boost for matching orb, V2 gives a gradully increasing boost that doesn’t hit 3.5x or higher until the 4th perfect.

Have you actually used V1 Lucci’s special? I have constantly and even against maps that increase the rate of certain orbs V1s lucci special will still get me matching orbs. As for specific orb changers you can once again bring any orb randomizer. I’d argue that a high chance for matching orbs over 3 turns is better than a one turn orb changer in that the orbs are more consistent over multiple turns which better allows for multi turn bursts whether than single turn.

Once again V2 Lucci is a more consistent and safer captain, that’s about it. In many ways this does allow for a better PH captain with safer runs and more stalling. I never refuted this, but the idea that V2 Lucci is some god level PH captain when his multiplier isn’t much better and all he is is safer.

Also showing V2 Lucci clearing content doesn’t prove v1 can’t. Not to mention the idea that using a friend captain doesn’t count is ridiculous when they are a f2p option that compliments a certain captain. For that matter if you want to not count a clear unless you use double of the same captain you might as well drastically decrease a lot of clear rates

For reference V1 and V2 damage wise using the same team.

Once again V2 Lucci is safer and more consistent (depending on your perfect track record) and thats it. The idea that he’s “better in everyway” is ridiculous.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kami_Blake_Aur]

Ok since this is pretty much getting nowhere, let's boil it down to one simple question, in which scenario would you realisticly use v1 lucci over v2 lucci?

Also showing V2 Lucci clearing content doesn’t prove v1 can’t.

Kinda does if you can't find a single example of him clearing it.

Not to mention the idea that using a friend captain doesn’t count is ridiculous

No, it's 100% needed when comparing Captains. Saying V1 Lucci is a great Captain because he can leech off of Judge or V2 Lucci to clear content doesn't mean he's doing the work. Would you say 6+ Shanks is great because V2 Shanks makes him clear lots of content? Where would he be without those friend captains?