So , 10th anni . ive seen a bunch of people pulling amazing stuff in a few pulls and i needed to go to 30 , so my question, is the drop rate table viable or is it just for the lucky people ?

[u/TraditionalAd7945]

[u/eivind2610]

I think a lot of people are dodging the real question. Yes, we all know it's all about luck - but in my opinion, yes, the rates are lower than they should be. Especially considering how unbelievably expensive 30 pulls for bad luck protection is. I've played a lot of gacha mobile games, and OPTC has by FAR the most expensive bad luck protection. Other games can't even compare.

No one's arguing they need to give out all the new characters to everyone for free. But honestly, 15 pulls or so would be more comparable to what other games charge for a guaranteed hit. OPTC has the worst rates for new characters, the most expensive bad luck protection, and the most massively inflated character pool, of any gacha game I've ever played. Yes, it's a problem - it always was, and it's only becoming a bigger problem as time goes on.

[u/Piergiogiolo → u/eivind2610]

And it's even worse when you realize how many units optc releases compared to other games. This year they released 1 legend every 6.6 days. That's absolutely insanse.

[u/eivind2610 → u/Piergiogiolo]

I just did the 20th multi on part 1 - the "all posters have a 50% chance to be red" part.... and got one red poster. The pain...

[u/eivind2610 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, usually about the same as OPTC. Maybe not as many batches of huge "here's 100 free gems for no reason!", but from my experience, there tends to be as much free stuff for just logging in, playing the game, etc.

I would use Fire Emblem Heroes as a comparison, but they recently-ish introduced a premium pass you have to pay for in order to get access to pity, so it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.

Instead, let's compare with Pokemon Masters EX! A multi pull in Pokemon is 3000 gems. You need roughly 40 000 gems to reach pity, as far as I'm aware; that's 13.333 multi pulls (or 13 and a few singles). The biggest pack of permanently available gems in that game is 9800 gems, costing 77.31 Euro (converted from my local currency using an up-to-date currency exchange rate). I'd need to buy this pack slightly more than 4 times in order to get 40 000 gems, and thus pity; that's a total of 315 Euro.

Using the same rules in OPTC - the biggest permanently available pack, meaning not "omg look at this crazy anniversary offer!!!" - as far as I can tell, the biggest pack / best offer is 165 gems, costing 110.94 Euro. I'd need to buy this pack slightly more than nine times to get 1500 gems, aka enough for pity. That's 1008 Euro. One thousand and eight. OPTC could give pity every ten pulls and still be more expensive than Pokemon.

(There are some packs marked "New!" that offer slightly better rates, but as far as I can tell, those are event exclusive, thus breaking the rules listed above. Either way, if I were to use the biggest/best one of those packs, it would be 100 gems for 60.11 Euro; I'd need to buy it 15 times to reach 1500 gems, for a total of 901 Euro. Still significantly more expensive than Pokemon)

This is all converted from my local currency, so the exact numbers might be slightly different from what you would find doing the same math. But the point still stands.

Edit: Forgot to add, this is all on top of the fact that a perfectly normal, average banner in Pokemon has a 2% rate for the featured unit. We're currently in the middle of our biggest event of the year in OPTC, and featured units have 0.5% rate.

[u/ReDK1LL → u/eivind2610]

Yeah I think the numbers might be off because in euros the 300 gem pack costs 120€, and I heard it from multiple people.

[u/eivind2610 → u/ReDK1LL]

I know my comment was a bit long, but if you look at the 2nd and 3rd paragraph, both describe the "rules" for the comparison I used; permanently available packs. Not "omg look at this crazy anniversary offer!!!". The 300 gem pack is "omg look at this crazy anniversary offer!!!". It's an event-only pack that can be bought 5 times total. The biggest regularly available, non-event pack is 165 gems.

Of course, there's an argument to be made that using only permanently available, non-event packs is an unrealistic comparison, and that's true. But that's the case in other games as well; they also have event offers, they also have anniversaries. And frankly, if we start including those cases as well, OPTC is probably going to fall even further behind.

For the sake of this comparison, though, I'd be happy to do the maths for you. Converted from my local (non-Euro) currency, the 300 gem pack is 110.94 Euro. I would need to buy it 5 times for 1500 gems. That's 554.7 Euro. The biggest event pack in OPTC, from the biggest event in OPTC, still makes pity almost twice as expensive as regular, non-event packs in Pokemon.

The numbers won't be exactly the same for you, since our currencies are different, but the ratio between them should be very close.

[u/ReDK1LL → u/eivind2610]

First of all, I'm not trying to say the game isn't expensive or defend it in any way. But practically every event has a sugo nowadays. Other comment said there's a new legend every 6.6 days. That means every week or so we get a new sugofest, with a bunch of packs where you can buy packs similar to these.

Actually one of the complaints I've seen here and in discord is that the difference between normal packs and big packs is the dissapointing part, because big packs are almost the same as the normal ones and the only packs that are significant are the pirate level packs and beginner packs like getting 59 gems for 1€ or 109 for 10€.

All I'm saying is that using the 165 gem pack wasn't that good of an example, because gem packs of around 250-300 gems for around 120€ are not really a crazy anniversary offer.

So yeah, it was just an observation, not trying to claim the game is not expensive, which it obviously is.

[u/eivind2610 → u/ReDK1LL]

Point is, if we start including event packs for OPTC, we'd have to do the same for our point of comparison - in this case, Pokemon Masters EX. Which also has frequent events, gem sales, and so on.

Without having access to the exact numbers for both games' biggest events of the year, removing event offers from the equation entirely is the only way to make it a fair comparison. However, from what I remember, Pokemon's sales and offers tend to be pretty good; if we did have access to the exact numbers, and if we did include special offers in the comparison, I wouldn't be surprised if OPTC fell even further behind.

[u/ReDK1LL → u/eivind2610]

As I said, I'm not trying to compare it with other games, just saying that when these event packs are so common that they're basically on at all times, then is it really special? They're basically the norm by now.

As I said, just an observation, nothing worth arguing over not gonna lie, specially since I agree with you about the game being way too expensive among other things.

[u/deadguy9965]

A lot of new players coming to optc it seems and they dont how gacha games works It’s basically gambling no need to overthink it

[u/eivind2610 → u/deadguy9965]

It's one thing to acknowledge that it's random chance, and another to also acknowledge that other, comparable games offer much better rates, much cheaper pity, and much smaller character pools. Yes, it's random, yes it's gambling. But compared to other games, the system is rigged against the player, every step of the way.

If OPTC offered the new characters at a 2% rate instead of 0.5% (!!!), and pity after 15-ish pulls - or even as little as 10 - instead of 30 (!!!), it'd be more comparable to other games, and frankly more fair. It would make pulling feel more rewarding for the average player instead of just the lucky few, and I suspect in the long run, it would probably earn Bandai more money rather than less.

[u/TraditionalAd7945 → u/deadguy9965]

im not overthinking it , it just that with 2000 gems i expected to at least get luffy ace and shanks

[u/Timoxotus → u/TraditionalAd7945]

yeah me too, I always expect to pull the full batch and everything I wanted and then I get angry when game shafts me so unfair I'm gonna complain to manager

[u/azuredoragon → u/deadguy9965]

One thing I have noticed is that the acc that I logged in daily has a lower chance to pull good units while the other accs which I barely give any attention to have a higher chance of pulling good units maybe it's bandai's way to hook me to the game

[u/Timoxotus → u/azuredoragon]

that is pure superstition, very normal with gachas

[u/StanleyHunter]

I had to do 40 multis for Zoro and Sanji and got nothing else on the new year banner (10 part 1, the rest part 3) and then this time I did 30 and got 1 luffy and 3 shanks. It’s just all luck

[u/franciskeddu → u/StanleyHunter]

30 pulls in part3 is mathematically the new Shanks, is a great pg

[u/StanleyHunter → u/franciskeddu]

Those 30 pulls were for the New years banner showing that luck can be shit. Then the ones on this banner have been much better in comparison

[u/franciskeddu → u/StanleyHunter]

Sorry I didn't read the "new years" in your message

[u/KIopsiak]

Someone has to do 30 multis in order for others to get stuff in the first 5 multis. Just luck

[u/TraditionalAd7945 → u/KIopsiak]

i understand that but this someone seems to always be me

[u/Tim_d_othy]

I did 30 on part 1 but was lucky enough to get all 4 of the new legends

[u/Xadlin60]

Lucky people. I pulled 20 and only got Ace and nothing else

[u/Internal_Ad734]

I did 30 on part 1 and 30 on part 2 and I got one Luffy. It’s luck for some and pain for others.

[u/TraditionalAd7945 → u/Internal_Ad734]

almost same , got ace on part 1

[u/Internal_Ad734 → u/TraditionalAd7945]

For now he seems like he will age like fine wine because you’ll always have max special with him as double captain No need for boosted teams anymore when you have him

[u/KIopsiak → u/Internal_Ad734]

Max special isn't even that important. When he will stop being a point booster his usefulness will be the same as the others and you'll still want to run boosted units.

[u/eivind2610 → u/KIopsiak]

Max special means he will always be an option in Kizuna and other 'no stalling events', regardless of whether or not his type and/or classes are boosted. Double Ace as captain is always an option, in any piece of content the game has to offer - and probably always will be an option. Not necessarily the best option, of course, but a viable one nonetheless.

His 'real strength', in my opinion, is that he lets you ignore a lot of the arbitrary and restrictive team building restrictions for events (especially Kizuna), and thus lets you get away with using double Ace instead of pulling for whatever legend is new and exciting for the event in question and will be outdated by the time the very next event rolls around.

[u/Internal_Ad734 → u/eivind2610]

Thank you for clearing that up, exactly my point

[u/Phenosan]

Luck

[u/hesawavemasterrr]

It’s just gambling if you don’t have the necessary amount to hit pity. Some have gotten lucky, some not so much

[u/Raspgy]

People who don’t pull good don’t post there bad pulls. I went to 30 and didn’t get anything good outside some older dupes to 150 units and a weak oden/Toki ani units.

Ain’t nothing worth posting about so you tend to see more of the lucky players post.

[u/lafacutti]

Garchu

[u/xdoble7x]

The drop rate table is 100% correct in game, the only reason that you see " alot of people" getting lucky in a few multies is because no one makes a post about getting units at 30 multies

There will always be more posts about how lucky i am than how unlucky i am so your vision bias towards thinking a lot of people are being lucky

For every post showing new legend multi 1 there are hundreds of people getting it around multi 15 and other on multi 30, but doesn't get posted

Contrary of what a lot of people think, this game is really good for f2p compared to other gatchas, the problem is that it's not that good for new players

[u/Xadlin60]

If you want something fair, go play bleach brave souls. When you max level a character there, you get a big boost with orbs. Helps make you wanna level up all your characters for boost in economy.

While in OPTC, you get nothing for maxing out a character. Imagine you get 50 orbs for maxing out any 4star character and 75 for 5 stars. Then people would be happy I bet, instead of this grind for orbs.