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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1115 Spoiler

Chapter 1115: "Continental Fragments"

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Ch. 1115 Official Release (Mangaplus): 05/27/2024

Ch. 1116 Scan Release: ~05/31/2024 - No break!

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown Pirate King Buggy May 23 '24

Fishmen were repressed and discriminated against because they could share with the rest of the world that there are entire countries all over the world that were flooded. Making everyone hate them ensured that they would not share information, that they wouldn't wander around too much and that people wouldn't believe them even if they said anything.

Devil fruits remove the ability to swim because the most powerful, curious and adventurous people used to go after them, which ensured that they would not look for anything underwater since it'd mean their doom.

WG played this one smart. Fucking assholes.

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u/Kiboune May 23 '24

...but Law's submarine

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u/thedrq May 23 '24

Probably never went to the floor of the sea.

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

Only would need to go 200m down. Don't know if that's a normal submarine depth or not.

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u/DarkFite May 23 '24

Submarines usually descend between 400 and 500 meters on average. So meh he should have seen it, but even if he did, who's to say he would recognize the connection.

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u/Worthyness May 23 '24

it's been a significant amount of time. With how much calamity that goes on in the One Piece world weather wise, the ruins themselves would be torn to pieces and covered by decades of dirt and rock. There'd be ruins though.If you're looking for them

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

Agreed. 800 years is a long time in seawater and pretty much only large stone structures would have survived. So, big city centers that might be fairly spread out and maybe very little on the Grand Line which would also reduce possibility of running into an old city.

I wonder if Egghead island is the remains of the Ancient Kingdom. It's the peak of the mountain and the rest of the city is below.

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u/wannabetrapstar888 May 23 '24

its not. in kuma's backstory it was just a basic winter island that vegapunk entirely renovated for his lab purposes, just like punk hazard. i dont think the ancient kingdom exists above the sea anymore. its most likely destroyed or on the seafloor

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

That's not what I was saying.

I mean that Egghead is the peak of a mountain that was in the Ancient Kingdom territory. For example: Japan and Mt Fuji. Like if Japan was the Ancient Kingdom and Mt Fuji is Egghead (non-volcanic, of course.)

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u/enpedia May 24 '24

tbf thats in our world Oda can make it less than that for obvious reasons

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u/PerformanceFalse3600 May 24 '24

the manga did not say it was only 200m down, it said the water rose 200m within 100 years, which still leaves the other 800 years left

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u/Kingdarkshadow May 23 '24

Only? The sea floor is 10km

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

The sea levels rose by 200 meters. Unless the Ancient Kingdom was building on the bottom of the ocean before the flooding, you'd only need to go down 200 meters before you saw ruins. In fact, you'd need to go down less far assuming they had some tall buildings.

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u/Lajinn5 May 24 '24 edited May 24 '24

200 M rise in a short period would frankly cause apocalyptic levels of destruction. Extreme floods would wipe out tons of structures and places in the initial flooding of the world. This wouldn't be a gradual and soft rise, Oda depicted how much destruction the 1 M rise across the world caused with Lulusa, now imagine that in quick succession. The unexpected Tsunamis alone would likely wipe out most societies.

Sea Water is also de facto one of the most corrosive and eroding things we have around on Earth. Most well preserved fossils and relics in the ocean come from Clay/Mud/Silt deposits that shelter said relics, naturally forming deposits that wouldn't be around to shield these underwater ruins caused by unnatural calamities. 800 years would be an extremely long time for erosion and decay to destroy most things of relevance (Stone structures would erode down a decent bit, metal structures would corrode to near nothing, Wood would break down, Plastics would corrode away gradually, etc). In the current day in OP there would be little of interest to see for anybody who isn't scraping the sea bed (Which would have also had tons of material from erosion and the initial destruction added over time).

Add in the World Government actively supressing any form of Archaeology/Research into the past and killing anybody who tries and it's understandable why most ruins wouldn't be found (Especially since most cities probably weren't sitting at the highest elevations that survived the floods). You also make 200 M sound trivial, when only 4 humans have been recorded free diving past 170 and surviving (With modern tech). For most humans 200 M of depth would be unreachable.

The real question is about the Fishfolk and their lack of knowledge, because they'd realistically be the main ones who would interact with any ruins.

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u/Kingdarkshadow May 23 '24

The sea levels rose by 200 meters in one century. There are still 7 other centuries ahead of the time.

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

We have zero evidence that the Ancient Weapons were used between the defeat of Joy Boy and the destruction of Lulusia.

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u/FedorKo91 May 24 '24

Before the use of the Weapon, iceberg said water7 has problem with the rising sea water and the stronger floods

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u/Transmatrix May 24 '24

It seems pretty likely at this point that the same weapon used at Lulusia was also used at Enies Lobby. The proximity could be causing localized effects. Otherwise it wouldn’t just be Water 7. The “recent” 1M rise was worldwide.

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u/Kingdarkshadow May 23 '24

Eh????

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u/Transmatrix May 23 '24

The Ancient Weapons appear to be what caused the sea level rise. Based on what we've heard and seen so far in the story, there is nothing causing the sea to continually rise over time. Other than perhaps Water 7, but that might be a localized effect due to their proximity to Enies Lobby. Regardless, pretty sure that there was sea prior to the 200m rise, so you still wouldn't have to go 10km down to get to the sea floor. I mean, technically you see sea floor just a few feet down when you're at the coast.

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u/Zer0323 May 23 '24

no one can probably get to it due to the currents revealed while traveling down to fishman island.

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u/Janiverse_Stalice May 23 '24

I doubt that he can see jackshit at a certain sea level. And let's not forget, that he cannot leave the grand line due to the seamonster around it

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u/Switch-Familiar May 24 '24

Well, most of the buried world is less than 200m underwater. Divers can probably see a lot of it. Just saying.

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u/slicer4ever May 24 '24

That was 200m rapidly at the end of the void century, as we've learned the water is still rising even to this day, so it's probably more like 300-400m down now.

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u/Xazhariel Void Month Survivor May 23 '24

We have submarines too and we explored like 5% of the oceans or less

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u/FedorKo91 May 24 '24

nah read about it. the ground itself is pretty good explored with our technology.

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u/carso150 May 24 '24

yeah because we have shit like radar and sonar and even then we actually dont have it fully mapped it, the one piece world is only as technologically advanced as it seems thanks to vegapunk so its very recent advancements

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u/GustavoAlex7789 May 23 '24

Even a submarine that could reach the bottom of the sea would never found a ancient civilization by chance unless they know exactly where to search.

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u/karatous1234 May 23 '24

Doesn't take too far down before light stops existing. Even if the Polar Tang had crazy headlights, they would only see what was directly ahead of them, and even that is assuming they navigate with some kind of viewing window instead of radar.

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u/Wavdec May 24 '24

Even when we going 200m down with current technology, you can’t see much because light doesn’t travel that far and especially with sabody they rely on the light from the Adam tree so there’s definitely meters and meters of unexplored grounds in the ocean that most don’t know about

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u/chucknorris21 May 23 '24

can only go so far because of the water pressure

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u/TacoPi May 23 '24

Less than 200 meters?

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u/chucknorris21 May 23 '24

The one piece earth is much more bigger than our earth so 200 meters could be 1km in our world

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u/ruisen2 May 24 '24

Law's submarine's existence is still a mystery to me, like, who else other than Vegapunk has that kind of tech?

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u/Never_justice May 23 '24

And giants and ancient giants..... they can be as tall as 20 meters or 60 meters, they would have no issue checking the seafloor if only 200 meters

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u/CelioHogane May 23 '24

Oh you mean the guys that are ALSO not allies with the World Goverment?

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u/tokyogodfather2 May 26 '24

Mind. Blown. Makes sooo much sense now. Why the WG and Giants don’t really mix.

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u/Draffut2012 May 23 '24

do they have the knowledge to know where the large landmasses are that they could dive to?

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u/PapanTandaLama May 24 '24

Oh my goodness a plot hole lol

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u/Laser-circus May 24 '24

And the bubble technology...

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u/Hot-Beach2567 May 24 '24

Shit. I feel like oda won’t be able to explain this away.

Same as the monkey boys from Noland who searched the sea floor. Never saw anything either I guess

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u/piper1871 May 26 '24

Many submarines can only go to certain depths. The USS Thresher imploded after it started sinking and went below the depth the submarine could handle. 

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u/Kuro013 May 23 '24

Would be crush by pressure if they went to the sea floor.

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u/rondosparks May 23 '24

This just makes Shirahoshi even more dangerous than she already was.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

how so?

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u/rondosparks May 23 '24

The biggest obstacle to people being able to see these ruins besides oxygen would be the sea kings. But someone with the power to control and talk to them would make navigating them safer.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Good argument. Wow.

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u/GeneralUnlikely266 May 23 '24

That also explains why there are even pirates allowed in the one piece world. It would be easy to just station a admiral or even a elder at the entrance of the grandline to kill/capture every pirate who enters it. But the idea of having pirates around is actually genius. No civilian can explore the sea without a huge risk to be murdered. And most of the pirates only care about loot and treasure not about exploring the seas.

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u/BealKage May 23 '24

Devil fruits are naturally occurring though

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u/CelioHogane May 23 '24

Are you sure about that?

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor May 23 '24

Fishmen were repressed and discriminated against because they could share with the rest of the world that there are entire countries all over the world that were flooded. Making everyone hate them ensured that they would not share information, that they wouldn't wander around too much and that people wouldn't believe them even if they said anything.

It feels like there are too many fishmen for that to be the reason though. You would think some fishmen would pop up and say "man, there's some ancient ruins down there guys". Especially strong fishmen like Jinbei and Tiger Fisher.

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u/ThatBadassonline The Revolutionary Army May 23 '24

Posted this in other areas, putting it here too to get some traction.

We saw sea kings around that submerged city panel right? There must be more than just one, there must be hundreds of ruins down in the depths.

What if the reason that, despite living in the ocean, Fishmen and Mermen rarely/never came across these sites is because…..they‘re mostly at the bottom of the Calm Belts?

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor May 23 '24

Oh, that's a good theory there. Full of sea kings, no wind, and at the bottom of the ocean. Wouldn't be much reason for even fishmen to go there.

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u/CelioHogane May 23 '24

"WHATEVER YOU SAY SUSHI CREATURE"

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u/SpicyMango333 May 23 '24

Yea I’ve been saying this for years. I listed a theory on here one time that devil fruits didn’t use to always take away your ability to swim. Instead, they were modified by the WG so that people had a reason to be afraid of them. There’s something beyond off about fish men devil fruit users also being unable to move in water. Lol anyway I received A LOT of hate for it for some reason. What a silly time that was (also it’s just a theory =_= but at this point seems pretty obvious that it’s along these lines or another)

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u/triste___ May 23 '24

It’s possible that Devil Fruits always made it impossible for the user to swim. But during the Void Century, Imu destroyed huge parts of land and made it harder for a person who cannot swim to safely travel or even fight.

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u/BustANupp Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 23 '24

Correct, VP elaborates on the idea that Devil fruit users are ‘forcing evolution’ and thus The Sea [Mother Nature, source of all life per evolutionary theories] punishes them for this. It’s a very mythological perspective for it but that fits the fictional/powers theme of one piece.

The CD have had no concerns about DF throughout the story, only the ancient weapons. I think this is decent proof that they have not had some nefarious means of altering a fruit that derives its powers from people’s dreams.

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u/SpicyMango333 May 23 '24

You should read my response to the guy you responded to. This is also supported by what VP says about DF users “forcing evolution” (aka using DFs to advance society).

However, the reason we SHOULD question if DFs always worked like this is because if you don’t question everything you know, it becomes easier to be controlled by the WG and whatnot. Their entire system is structured around gaslighting and turning lies into truths. That’s why I believe it’s still likely the DFs didn’t use to basically contain poison in them that makes you seize up in sea water. It’s actually really, really, wrong that even fish men can’t move if they are in the water lol. 

Like what is the actual science behind why? Not just the mythology. VP believes everything should have an explanation. And aside from that, even mythologically it stops making sense if we believe these fruits are natural and completely unaltered.

Idk. He didn’t really go into a full explanation on it. He sorta just left it at that. I think Vegapunk keeps too open of a mind and believes if he can’t 100000% prove something he’s better off stating the theories or what is generally documented. He probably has personal ideas on the origins of DFs and can probably see that the sus-meter is WAY high. I think it’s weird he didn’t give us an actual scientific explanation as to why DF users bodies suddenly can not move in water. Or he does know but just didn’t feel like explaining it all at the time since he knew the WG is after him and other things take priority of course like survival, getting the straw hats to safety and getting his message out to the world (via dying, tho we’ll see if it really stays that way). 

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u/BustANupp Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 23 '24

You’re wanting very concrete answers from an anime that has world altering weapons, transforming characters into gods and animals and weather events that don’t follow rules we have. VP stated he didn’t have all the answers because he only had a handful of poneglyphs. VP, Robin and the reader do not have all the information combined even

Like the theory of relativity Einstein created, theories are the base of a lot of science. They have holes potentially, which is why they are not a law, but it doesn’t mean that the findings are incorrect. VP gives us his theories on DF and the void century, but when it comes from someone that doesn’t speak lightly knowing his words carry weight. That’s why VPs transmission should be taken at face value as well, he’s trying to give the world crucial information and his reputation has always been that of speaking to truth about science. We don’t need to try and find excess loopholes when he’s trying to actively fill them in with his incomplete knowledge.

If you get too stuck in the weeds, you’ll lose perspective of the forest.

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u/SpicyMango333 May 24 '24

Bro I am the forest. Idk how else to put that at this time. I did have a reply but felt like it would just add that your description of VP is a rephrase of what I just said lol 

I am open to and expecting more concrete answers yes. But I also am fine with however the series unfolds. It should just be obvious that there’s plenty of blanks to fill in bc VP did not answer very much about DFs at all. And I’m not finding excessive loopholes, I’m saying he already knew he was about to be assassinated and met the straw hats like what, hours ago? Too short of time and too much at stake to talk in depth about giving the readers more DF answers. 

That isn’t a stretch or an excessive loophole, that’s literally what is happening rn. None of my theories on DFs are a stretch based off what we’ve seen in One Piece as well as the fact that I don’t even hold these theories tightly. DF users being unable to swim as “natural” is a theory not a fact. A fact is that they can’t swim but deciding it’s definitely NOT SUS when it absolutely is, is an opinion.

My comment is just saying that if you get too comfortable in what you think is the truth/a fact then you will certainly end up “stuck in the weeds” and unable to understand the forest. I may go on long tangents and expect more answers down the road irl and from One Piece (why not…?), but that doesn’t mean I’m failing to see bigger perspectives. This is actually a very helpful and often necessary skill in seeing bigger perspectives/picture whatever lol

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u/SpicyMango333 May 23 '24

It is possible, yes. I put a disclaimer in my theory (not this comment but the theory post I got lots of hate on) that even if DFs always worked this way, that in the void century, way of life was so much more peaceful/safe so that DFs were not “devil” fruits but instead a way of life. I mentioned the point of this is they were actually common and meant to be a normal way of life to help community/civilization prosper. 

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u/DrakeSparda May 24 '24

Wouldn't it be more likely that devil fruits were against water in a world that had less water? It is much less of a risk. And if the Joy Boy faction was mostly devil fruit users, it would make sense that the WG would call it devil fruit, as well as look to increase the amount of water. As it would directly affect their adversaries.

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u/SpicyMango333 May 24 '24

Could you explain your first sentence? :0 what do you mean by “devil fruits were against water”? I have long thoughts below but they are quite interesting if you want to hear me out. It also got sparked up when I officially read arthurs library of Ohara notes on the latest chapters, which seems to be on the same/similar track as me. Anyway that’s below if you so desire! ———————————————————

The thing with this theory is that I’m just saying it’s not exactly natural. We’ve been discovering many “natural” occurrences in One Piece are in fact man made problems. I’m saying this can apply to devil fruit laws we were convinced were a natural way of life.

It makes more sense with the discovery of Imu as well as the gorosei being demons. It’s theorized that Imu can be the Umi demon (I mu, U mi. A pun). If this were the case, ALSO that the gorosei were able to cause a similar effect to people on land (all the characters gets going “huh? How come I can’t move??!”), to me hints at a possible link to Imu, the ocean, and the real reason DF users can’t move.

In One Piece it’s reported/believed that the ocean/god hates devil fruit users pretty much. Imu, who is likely the ocean demon, would be this figure in said story no? And if the ocean personified is the only reason we have been given for why DF users can’t swim, and Imu is almost certainly the ocean personified…. Idk to me that explains it and tells me it’s not a natural cause. It could be but I’m just saying it’s not that far fetched to at least question it, ya know?

I’m saying it’s possible if there was no Imu maybe there would be no DF weakness anymore. Shouldn’t be impossible. Also it’s really, really weird that even fishmen who are clearly loved by the ocean also cant move at all if they are in the water. That’s like, so wrong lol

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u/Abshalom May 25 '24

Or, Imu has the Sea-Sea Fruit (or some sea monster equivalent) and is actively spreading a curse through the entire world, a la Full Metal Alchemist.

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u/SpicyMango333 May 26 '24

Yes! I feel similarly to that as well. In one of my lengthy replies on here I basically said something to that equivalent. Long story short: Imu is the Umi demon (explaining the real reason the “sea” hates the devil fruit users). I mu. U mi. Yup

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u/fartmilkdaddies May 23 '24

I mean even then, just normal ass people can still swim, I guess not too far.

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown Pirate King Buggy May 23 '24

Most people in OP don't even leave their island because the seas are rough and travelling is dangerous. If everyone was like Rayleigh, the WG would've been done for.

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u/nam24 May 23 '24

Even in east blue you have the occasional sea monster. The blues are probably about as dangerous as irl seas(minus sea monster and the pirates) but most ways of getting into the grand line are basically suicide for the average person and even if you are born into the grand line it still holds true

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u/Bmandk Void Month Survivor May 23 '24

I don't think that really tracks 100% though, there were definitely fishmen around normal people in some places of the world. The Arlong crew was around for quite a while, and there were slaves as well in Sabaody. Fisher Tiger and Jinbei would also surely have spoken to other people as well. The revolutionary army has Hack as well, so surely they would know from him as well. Tom must have also spoken to Iceburg and Franky (maybe that's why Iceburg was building Water 7 in the first place, but why wouldn't he tell Franky?). Kawamatsu lives in Wano.

These are just the ones who got the most screen-time, but there's way too many around for none of them to say anything.

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u/Etcomics May 23 '24

Oh dear, is the One Piece gonna actually be a swimsuit?

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u/Buscemi_D_Sanji May 23 '24

But they were admitted to the reverie years ago, so they would have been able to say "there are tons of sunken cities we've seen"

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown Pirate King Buggy May 24 '24

Fishmen and merfolks know that the world hates them. Leaving FMI is dangerous to them since many people want to enslave or kill them. The outside world just isn't safe to them. There are also many dangerous creatures under D. sea, so it's not like breathing underwater allows them to easily go anywhere.

These factors combined make it hard for fishmen to get a whole picture. Seeing ruins of one city ain't gonna make you think of a conspiracy. You'd ideally need sightings from different people from all over the world and that's hard to achieve.

If there was a Clover-like group of fishmen, things would be different, but alas.

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u/Klumsi May 23 '24

Would be pretty dissapointing if that ends up being the explanation.

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u/Kuro013 May 23 '24

And the WG giving them an island is the perfect prison, most fishmen wouldn't want to leave the only place they can call home and be with their kin. I hate the WG.

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u/Ytniq May 23 '24

You cooked well

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u/BanjoSpaceMan May 23 '24

Why give people DF in the first place though?

I think instead IMU might have the power over the sea and uses his powers to sink DF users. However we know Haki can go through DF powers so IMU doesn't have the ability to stop them. But then why would IMU not try drowning everyone who goes into the sea at all?

Idk something's not adding up

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u/Crohna_Venorum May 23 '24

Imagine Shanks got Buggy to eat a Devil Fruit, because Buggy wanted to dive for treasure

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u/Amazing-Software-759 May 24 '24

I wonder what Red Haired Pirates know esp none of the current members have devil fruits.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '24

DF are not the design of the WG, because they wouldn't use joyboy lineage factor to reproduce his legacy in fruit form. existence of that fruit runs counter to their agenda. Furthermore, if they did so, this technology would be in their possession after they won the war, so they wouldn't need vegapunk's new research into enabling it.

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u/PublicJuggernaut1194 May 26 '24

I like the part of your theory that states devils fruit remove the ability to swim as if it was on purpose by the world government, perhaps they control the devil fruits in some shape or form but then why would they have a nika devil fruit if that is the case.

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u/tokyogodfather2 May 26 '24

Yup. OR perhaps D stands for DevilFruit, and the WG realized the easiest way to defeat the D clan and those with powers (eg. Joyboy) was with .. you guessed it: sea water. Imagine an entire island of Devil fruit users, and your side has none? And their leader has reality altering Nika level powers? Destroying entire sections of the world to raise the sea water, the one thing that kills them, makes complete sense.