One Piece: Chapter 1108

[u/Kirosh2]

Chapter 1108: "Attention, World!"

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Ch. 1108 Official Release (Mangaplus): 25/02/2024

Ch. 1109 Scan Release: ~29/02/2024

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[u/Xark96]

They propably have on over Elbaf held by that gigantic tree and it propably is called Asgard.

[u/FlareGlutox → u/Xark96]

Or, you know, Jotunheim.

Now that I think about it, they might even have 9 different clouds to represent the realms. Or 8 with the ground of the island itself representing one.

[u/Xark96 → u/FlareGlutox]

While I would love the idea of Oda using as much of norse mythology for Elbaf as possible I actually doubt he will go into that much depth.

Especially as Jotunheim is the world of the giants but they already live on Elbaf in OnePiece, wich from norse cosmology view would reside in Midgard so having 2 Giant lands above each other isn't necessary in my opinion.

The reason why I thought of Asgard immediatly is because of the fight Harjudin vs Machvise, where Harjudin ended the fight saying "I will send you to the land of the gods" while aiming at the sky. So he must have some concept of Asgard wich basicly is the lands of the gods above Midgard.

[u/joaocandre → u/Xark96]

it has been theorized that the "normal" way to get to Sky Islands is indeed through the tree in Elbaf (Adam?). I'm sure Oda will integrate stuff from Jack's and The Beanstalk story during Elbaf and tie it back to Skypea.

[u/Xark96 → u/joaocandre]

I don't think the tree is connected to every sky island.

Because that would mean its branches would reach all over the world and I think that would ahve been mentioned before then.

[u/CabbageTheVoice → u/Xark96]

Only needs to be connected to a Sky island and then there could be different modes of travel between the different ones.

[u/Xark96 → u/CabbageTheVoice]

But having to go through Elbaf as the "normal" way to visit a sky island seems much more dangerous than what the StrawHats did, actually

Also it still would mean you have to travel to the new world to get to Skypeia for example, wich is a huge detour.

[u/CabbageTheVoice → u/Xark96]

I might be wrong on this point but iirc it was said that the sky islands (or at least skypiea) do travel. This could be just a bad translation though, as I was consuming in german at that point.

But yeah, it could very well be that the "Normal" way to get to Skypiea is super treacherous and requires you to go through Elbaf. The only people we know of who reached Skypiea from the blue sea are Luffy and Roger anyways, no? It isn't supposed to be a usual stop on the route of someone traveling the grandline.

Also you are mistaken, even going through the New World and Elbaf isn't necessarily as dangerous as what the StrawHats did. It seems more tame to us because we are watching the protagonists and saw them succeed, but riding a knockup stream into the clouds is an insane thing to do and attempting it is mental.

The Knockup stream would in most cases just obliterate your ship, or miss it completely, or you would drop off while riding it, or you overshoot the target....

The Strawhats succeded because of a few factors, some of them being perhaps the most skillful navigator in the world with an intuitive feel for weather, winds and waves; A captain that doesn't give a single fuck and a whole buncha luck. Edit: One of the main themes of Jaya/Skypiea was also dreaming the impossible and thus the knockup stream fit in really well with that. But in no case should that be the common method to get there. Wasn't it also stated that it's a super rare event that the Knockup stream aligns just at the right time and place like it did for the SHs? I seem to remember that this was a once in a decade or once in a century thing.

[u/Xark96 → u/CabbageTheVoice]

Sky islands do not travel especially not Skypiea wich is still where hundreds of years ago a part of Jaya got launched into the air from a Knock Up Stream and it was still there when the Strawhats got there.

I don't recall the german dub saying the islands travel actually.

The only people we know of who reached Skypiea from the blue sea are Luffy and Roger anyways, no?

Bellamy visited Skypiea, he told Luffy in Dressrosa.

Also we saw Kaido and Urouge on a sky island before Kaido dropped down to Kid and the alliance. Sure Kaido can simply fly with his dragon form but you think Urouge had a free pass through Elbaf?

Further the island Kuma send Nami is a sky island.

Also you are mistaken, even going through the New World and Elbaf isn't necessarily as dangerous as what the StrawHats did.

BB was nearby when the Knock Up Stream happened and their ship just got blown up. They all were alright.

On Elbaf there are giants activly trying to kill you and you would have a hard time sailing through the new world already with all the powerfull pirates roaming around.

Just sailing through fishman island to reach the new world has been said to be risky on Sabaody.

So there are multiple deadly events going to the NewWorld and then through Elbaf instead of just using 1 single risky method.

If Elbaf was the "easy and normal" route then why did Roger use the Knock Up Stream then?

[u/CabbageTheVoice → u/Xark96]

Fair points!

regarding the traveling islands, I really wasn't sure on that front so thanks for clarifying!

Do we know how Bellamy reached Skypiea? You are right that I forgot about him but I don't remember whether he disclosed his method of travel.

Regarding Urogue I don't really know but would say we simply don't know shit about him yet and seeing as he seems to be part of some sky-folk, it isn't out of the question that he has means to reach them one way or another (Also whether or not Elbaf is a possible route, this and the knockup stream don't even have to be the only two ways to get up to the skies)

BB survived but they also didn't try to catch the knockup stream. Their ship still blew up just by being in the vicinity. Also since my point here is that surviving the ride on a knockup stream is like winning the lottery, BB and Roger are the 2 guys that I would put on the same luck tier as Luffy(Edit: Buggy would also go into that tier!), making them bad arguments for countering the "it takes insane luck to survive the KU-stream" argument. Bellamy would be a way better fit for your argument here, assuming he also took the knockup stream.

And yeah, I'm not saying that going through Elbaf would be an "easy" route, just that the Knock Up stream is not something that someone just rides for the fun of it. A Buster Call is also something that should see basically noone surviving, yet Robin already survived 2 of them, soon to be 3. When talking about "normal" routes whatever that means when it comes to something as uncommon as people travelling from the blue sea to the sky islands, we really should think about this from the PoV of relatively normal dudes(Yes even just sailing the grand line requires more or less exceptional people), not the main characters of this world.

All this not to say you are wrong, you are making good points. Just don't think all your arguments are equally strong.

[u/Xark96 → u/CabbageTheVoice]

Do we know how Bellamy reached Skypiea?

No. He just casually mentioned he visited it to Luffy on Dressrosa.

The OnePiece Wiki says he used the knock up stream because he mentioned he lost his crew on the trip but he never actually stated it.

Regarding Urogue I don't really know but would say we simply don't know shit about him yet and seeing as he seems to be part of some sky-folk, it isn't out of the question that he has means to reach them one way or another

Wich basicly says there are other ways than Elbaf to reach sky islands.

"it takes insane luck to survive the KU-stream"

And it takes more than luck to make it all the way to Elbaf and through the island unharmed, climbing the tree to reach something as you said many people actually say is a myth.

So going into the most hostile sea, going through a hostile nation with the strongest army of the world doesn't really say "normal way" to me.

And yeah, I'm not saying that going through Elbaf would be an "easy" route, just that the Knock Up stream is not something that someone just rides for the fun of it. A Buster Call is also something that should see basically noone surviving, yet Robin already survived 2 of them, soon to be 3.

Good point, yes it isn't a easy way but on a knock up stream no one is activly hindering you.

Huge difference to me.

When talking about "normal" routes whatever that means when it comes to something as uncommon as people travelling from the blue sea to the sky islands, we really should think about this from the PoV of relatively normal dudes(Yes even just sailing the grand line requires more or less exceptional people), not the main characters of this world.

Yes and Elbaf doesn't allow normal people onto their island, wich basicly is my point.

A "normal" way should be something accessible to anyone.

Elbaf is not open to everyone.

[u/CabbageTheVoice → u/Xark96]

Wich basicly says there are other ways than Elbaf to reach sky islands.

Not necessarily. While I do think he could have ways we don't know of, I don't know why he couldn't also go through Elbaf.

Here is also a point where I disagree with you, in that you say Elbaf is a hostile nation, which I don't believe(correct me if it is outright stated somewhere). I flew over the wiki entry just to make sure but even there I can't find anything that says they are. On the contrary, the trivia part specifically mentions that they are mostly peaceful and that goes way more with the image I have of any giant we have seen so far.

They are regarded as the strongest nation and I imagine that they wouldn't be friendly to anyone who obviously doesn't share their values, but from what we have seen I would imagine them to decide on a case by case basis, whether they are hospitable to visitors or hostile. Someone like Bon clay would probably mesh super well with them, while they would probably not put up for long with someone like Ryokugyu.

Now Urogue could fall into the disliked category due to him possibly being a bad guy but then I'd refer back to my point that he really shouldn't be part of our discussion yet, as we don't know shit about him.

Good point, yes it isn't a easy way but on a knock up stream no one is activly hindering you.

Well, I'm repeating myself, but I do think nature is actively hindering you here :D

Yes and Elbaf doesn't allow normal people onto their island, wich basicly is my point. A "normal" way should be something accessible to anyone. Elbaf is not open to everyone.

Maybe we should rethink the terms we're using. "Normal" makes this way too confusing. Because when you say "it should be accessible to anyone" I'm asking why? But yeah me using the term "normal" muddies what I'm trying to say.

When I talk about the "normal" way to get to Skypiea, I'm still taking it as a default that 99.9% of the people would never have a chance to get there. I'm talking about someone like a random giant. Or maybe the odd Marine that has befriended the giants and also knows about Sky islands. Someone like Koby. I'm talking about someone like Shakky. How would these people get to Skypiea. And I don't think they would take a Knockup-stream, but instead take the (as I've described it) "normal" way of going through Elbaf.

Yes, this still takes into account that you would need to be strong enough to survive in the new world. It takes into account that you would need to be on good terms with the Giants. (And no, I don't think any of the people I mentioned there actually went to Skypiea.) and yes I'm still leaving open the possibility that there are yet more ways to get to the clouds and am not saying that the Elbaf route is "normal" as in: the most common way/a readily available way to get there, but "normal" compared to the KU-stream.

As a last point, think about it like this. Assuming the Elbaf route exists, both it and the KU-stream route require you to be capable/strong to access them. But while the Elbaf route requires you to be of a certain strength or capability, the KU-Stream is still a gamble. If you can travel the Elbaf route once, it should be very likely that you can pull it off again and again.

If the Strawhats were to attempt the Knockup stream again, even at their current level, it could easily mark their end.

That is how I see it, and why I'm saying the KU-stream is 'more dangerous' than a hypothetical Elbaf route, even if it is pretty much impossible for us to actually scale the dangers of these two very different things, as one could easily argue either way that a captain Kuro could get lucky and manage to ride the KU-stream, while being obliterated before he gets halfway through paradise. On the other hand a Whitebeard could control a chunk of the New world for years but get demolished by trying to ride the KU-stream once.

[u/joaocandre → u/Xark96]

The "normal" way is definetly in the New World though, considering people though of sky islands as a myth in the first half of the GL. That makes it dangerous by default. Also, it's never implied to be a safe journey regardless. In any case, riding the knock-up stream is almost impossible most of the time because you need to predict it and then be able to navigate it. If the SHs didn't meet the Montblac dude they'd never make it.

[u/Xark96 → u/joaocandre]

What has people in paradise thinking it is a myth todo with the normal way HAS to be in the new world?

There are propably many people in the new world not knowing about sky islands, either.

Sky islands are simply rare and not easily accessible. But all of them only being accessible through one extrem heavily guarded point in the new world makes no sense to me.

[u/DisMeDog → u/Xark96]

Honestly it makes perfect sense to me, otherwise the WG would have some presence up there. I don’t think the sky islands are a place people are meant to go to in the first place.

[u/Xark96 → u/DisMeDog]

Why would the WG care about that?

There are far more non-WG countires in the blue sea for them to care about rare sky islands

[u/DisMeDog → u/Xark96]

We saw the slave market and the price of Fishmen and we know that the CD collect rare slaves. It makes more sense for there to only be one or two ways to get to sky islands then for there to be numerous imo. Like literally Mock town was made up of countless pirates from every sea and none of them even believed it was real.

[u/joaocandre → u/Xark96]

I'm assuming if there was a way to get up there nearby, they'd have regular or occasional contact with sky people, their culture, or otherwise travelers going to/from and the whole myth aspect would be debunked.

I'm not saying you could access every sky island through Elbaf, there is no indication that they are all somehow connected, though I assume there is some way of traveling between different sky islands. It's just that use the knock-up stream is pretty much the most unconventional way to get there, and hence their surprise at the arrival of the SHs - the alternative doesn't need to be straightforward.

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Yggsdrasil*

[u/Xark96 → u/[deleted]]

Yggdrasil is the tree

I spoke about the potential sky island ontop wich will be called Asgard

[u/[deleted] → u/Xark96]

Ah I thought you meant the tree.