r/KyleKulinski • u/DataCassette • 2d ago

Current Events 'Very troubling': Leader of 'Abandon Harris' movement now anxious about Trump appointees

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u/DataCassette 2d ago

What's so mind fucked is they still think he might and up being better on Gaza. Like even now.

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u/TormentedOne 2d ago

Seems perfectly reasonable to believe that Kamala would have let them all die. Trump can't do much worse than that.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 2d ago

Harris at least pretended to be sympathetic to the Palestinians; Trump wants to "finish the job". Netnyahu wanted him to win.

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u/NeonArlecchino 2d ago

How is being lied to a positive?

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u/GrouchyGrapes 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think there is a meaningful difference between someone who understands that genocide is bad and constantly underplays the situation to cover their ass, and someone so openly hateful that they'll cheer it on.

Democrats are pro-genocide because of pro-Israeli inertia; it's politically expedient. Republicans are pro-genocide because they have wet dreams about tossing brown babies in blenders. Which do you think it would be easier to extract concessions from?

Both are awful choices, and acknowledging that one is still worse than the other is not a defense of Democrats. But even if you're a single issue voter and your issue is Gaza, there's a clear right and wrong answer. America chose the wrong answer.

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u/TormentedOne 1d ago

Do you think there's a meaningful difference if it's your kid that's dead in the rubble? You'll do anything and say anything to defend your tribe versus your perceived enemy tribe. Nothing is interesting about what you have to say.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago

I have nothing but contempt for Democrats, for a variety of reasons that extend beyond foreign policy. You're arguing with a straw man.

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u/Narcan9 2d ago

Which do you think it would be easier to extract concessions from?

There is no "which would be easier". We got ZERO concessions from Biden\Harris.

there's a clear right and wrong answer.

The right answer was neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 2d ago

It seems like you're intentionally conflating Democrats and Republicans because you care more about moral grandstanding than the groups you claim to care about. If both candidates are pro-genocide, then that means the bulk of our advocacy work has to be done extra-electorally. And if that's the case, then we pick whichever candidate is less of a headache to work around.

The right answer was neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans

I assure you that the right answer is never to park your ass on the couch on election day or throw your ballot into the trash by voting for green party grifters.

If you can't even be bothered to do the bare minimum and lay the groundwork for future advocacy work, then you're not helping anybody. You don't get to just indignantly throw your hands in the air if you don't like the offers on the table — none of us do. You're not special. There's still a choice to make, so suck it up and make the right one.

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u/TormentedOne 1d ago

Maybe the Republicans will be better on this. That is an option that you refuse to acknowledge exists as well. Once again your team can commit genocide and you'll defend it because it's your team if Republicans commit genocide is because they're bad people. You literally said that earlier like when Kyle says genocide is okay if I'm doing it because I'm me but if they're doing it it's representative of who they are.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago

Do you know anything about Republicans?

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u/NeonArlecchino 2d ago

You're ignoring that the other person is right that Biden/Harris offered no concessions. The closest we got from Biden were delayed bombs and him declaring a "red line" against a Rafah invasion that ended in nothing beyond him threatening to throw a reporter's phone when asked what the penalty for violating it would be. Harris started off well with saying she would ensure allies follow the law and other hopeful things, but then always had a spokesperson apologize for her appearing to have a soul.

They both still called peace protestors "terrorists", condemned them all for "antisemitism" no matter how few members did anything to qualify, kept silent when zionist terrorists (who still haven't faced charges) attacked peaceful student protestors with chemical weapons and incendiary devices, and accepted a foreign terrorist standing before Congress to whine about America having freedom of speech.

How do you honestly believe anything could be accomplished just because they'll give platitudes with a track record of doing more to condemn peaceful protestors than end a genocide they're funding and protecting? I am genuinely curious so please give solid examples of how you believe things could have gone well without just repeating how Trump is worse; everyone here (who isn't trolling) knows he'd add direct malice to his rejections of calls for peace.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago edited 1d ago

We agree that Democrats suck. You're ignoring the entire argument:

There is a difference between being proudly, openly, ideologically pro-genocide, and covertly supporting genocide because it's politically convenient. It's not about what the candidates offer — because neither offered the concessions we're looking for. It's about who's easier to push around.

Democrats don't believe in anything and flip their positions when it suits them. Republicans are actively malicious. Why do you think pro-Palestine protesters exclusively protest at Democrat campaign events? Not only is the risk of violent retribution greater from the Republican camp, but what can you realistically hope to achieve?

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u/NeonArlecchino 1d ago edited 1d ago

Did you read my comment? I acknowledged that Trump does the same things, but with malice. I also directly asked for a reason that doesn't involve him.

The DNC has already shown that they don't care how politically inconvenient supporting genocide is by turning away hundreds of thousands (if not more) voters by insisting on helping it flourish. They directly avoided letting Palestinian peace activists speak at their convention while centering people on the perpetrating side of the genocide telling people to forget history. Biden has also repeatedly humiliated himself and shown they're not moving by declaring "red lines" without punishment for violations.

How can you call them "easier to push around" when their track record doesn't show that at all?

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're asking me to defend voting for a lesser evil without acknowledging the greater evil. Do you see why I can't do that?

How can you call them "easier to push around"

Gay marriage and the civil rights act immediately come to mind, but I could gesture at a lot of positive things Democrats have done. Republicans consistently make things worse, and Democrats occasionally buckle under pressure and do good things when it becomes convenient.

I'm not saying it's easy to extract concessions from Democrats. I'm saying we shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot by making our job harder than it needs to be just so that we can claim the moral high ground.

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