r/KyleKulinski • u/DataCassette • 2d ago

Current Events 'Very troubling': Leader of 'Abandon Harris' movement now anxious about Trump appointees

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u/DataCassette 2d ago

What's so mind fucked is they still think he might and up being better on Gaza. Like even now.

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u/TormentedOne 2d ago

Seems perfectly reasonable to believe that Kamala would have let them all die. Trump can't do much worse than that.

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u/InfiniteAppearance13 Big Seltzer Sellout 2d ago

This is a simplistic and unimaginative understanding of human suffering and the horrors of man.

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u/TormentedOne 2d ago

Do enlighten me. I would love for you to explain how Trump makes anything worse, despite the fact that Biden still has the power to end the genocide right now and does essentially worse than nothing.

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u/InfiniteAppearance13 Big Seltzer Sellout 2d ago

Something tells me that even if I simplify this to a level that someone like you could understand you will reject my answer because you don’t like the premise:

If someone does not stop a genocide. That’s bad.

If someone sees a genocide and tells the people doing it - it’s fine what you’re doing, but finish the job. That’s worse.

Not very hard to understand for even the most simple

Miriam adelson gave Trump $100 mill and now he is taking aim at Syria and the golan heights to annex that for Israel.

Biden has said no to that.

Now you explain to me how attempting to expand this war to Syria while saying we need to make this genocide go faster is better than Biden simply not stopping his funding. I’m all ears

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u/Narcan9 1d ago

If someone does not stop a genocide. That’s bad.

If someone sees a genocide and tells the people doing it - it’s fine what you’re doing, but finish the job. That’s worse.

If someone invites a genocider into their halls of government, gives them 37 standing ovations, personally kisses their ass, and sends them billions of dollars in additional weapons, that's even worse worse.

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u/InfiniteAppearance13 Big Seltzer Sellout 1d ago

How?

You think awarding them is worse than helping them speed up a genocide and expanding it to Syria?

You really think that?

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u/TormentedOne 1d ago

Has Biden rebuked Netanyahu for parading around in the territory. Once again he could stop it all today. Trump is at least saying, "wrap it up".

By the way, Ireland is not stopping the genocide, Poland is not stopping the genocide. Bermuda is not stopping the genocide. But they would like to. How fucking dare you compare their moral stance on the issue to the USA. The US under Biden is doing quite a bit more then not stopping the genocide. They are conducting the genocide, defending the genocide, arming the genocide and lying about the genocide. Are you too simple to understand the difference? I doubt it. But, it does not fit your narrative. You tried to position the Biden administration as this innocent bystander watching Israel, helpless.

The US rules over them. Israel is a US colony. If Biden says stop, it stops. Trump cannot be worse for Gaza because Biden or Harris would let them all die. Trump may arguably be worse for the region, but it seems the Dems are ok with whatever Israel wants to do.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 2d ago

Harris at least pretended to be sympathetic to the Palestinians; Trump wants to "finish the job". Netnyahu wanted him to win.

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u/NeonArlecchino 2d ago

How is being lied to a positive?

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think there is a meaningful difference between someone who understands that genocide is bad and constantly underplays the situation to cover their ass, and someone so openly hateful that they'll cheer it on.

Democrats are pro-genocide because of pro-Israeli inertia; it's politically expedient. Republicans are pro-genocide because they have wet dreams about tossing brown babies in blenders. Which do you think it would be easier to extract concessions from?

Both are awful choices, and acknowledging that one is still worse than the other is not a defense of Democrats. But even if you're a single issue voter and your issue is Gaza, there's a clear right and wrong answer. America chose the wrong answer.

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u/TormentedOne 1d ago

Do you think there's a meaningful difference if it's your kid that's dead in the rubble? You'll do anything and say anything to defend your tribe versus your perceived enemy tribe. Nothing is interesting about what you have to say.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago

I have nothing but contempt for Democrats, for a variety of reasons that extend beyond foreign policy. You're arguing with a straw man.

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u/Narcan9 1d ago

Which do you think it would be easier to extract concessions from?

There is no "which would be easier". We got ZERO concessions from Biden\Harris.

there's a clear right and wrong answer.

The right answer was neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago

It seems like you're intentionally conflating Democrats and Republicans because you care more about moral grandstanding than the groups you claim to care about. If both candidates are pro-genocide, then that means the bulk of our advocacy work has to be done extra-electorally. And if that's the case, then we pick whichever candidate is less of a headache to work around.

The right answer was neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans

I assure you that the right answer is never to park your ass on the couch on election day or throw your ballot into the trash by voting for green party grifters.

If you can't even be bothered to do the bare minimum and lay the groundwork for future advocacy work, then you're not helping anybody. You don't get to just indignantly throw your hands in the air if you don't like the offers on the table — none of us do. You're not special. There's still a choice to make, so suck it up and make the right one.

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u/TormentedOne 1d ago

Maybe the Republicans will be better on this. That is an option that you refuse to acknowledge exists as well. Once again your team can commit genocide and you'll defend it because it's your team if Republicans commit genocide is because they're bad people. You literally said that earlier like when Kyle says genocide is okay if I'm doing it because I'm me but if they're doing it it's representative of who they are.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago

Do you know anything about Republicans?

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u/NeonArlecchino 1d ago

You're ignoring that the other person is right that Biden/Harris offered no concessions. The closest we got from Biden were delayed bombs and him declaring a "red line" against a Rafah invasion that ended in nothing beyond him threatening to throw a reporter's phone when asked what the penalty for violating it would be. Harris started off well with saying she would ensure allies follow the law and other hopeful things, but then always had a spokesperson apologize for her appearing to have a soul.

They both still called peace protestors "terrorists", condemned them all for "antisemitism" no matter how few members did anything to qualify, kept silent when zionist terrorists (who still haven't faced charges) attacked peaceful student protestors with chemical weapons and incendiary devices, and accepted a foreign terrorist standing before Congress to whine about America having freedom of speech.

How do you honestly believe anything could be accomplished just because they'll give platitudes with a track record of doing more to condemn peaceful protestors than end a genocide they're funding and protecting? I am genuinely curious so please give solid examples of how you believe things could have gone well without just repeating how Trump is worse; everyone here (who isn't trolling) knows he'd add direct malice to his rejections of calls for peace.

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u/GrouchyGrapes 1d ago edited 1d ago

We agree that Democrats suck. You're ignoring the entire argument:

There is a difference between being proudly, openly, ideologically pro-genocide, and covertly supporting genocide because it's politically convenient. It's not about what the candidates offer — because neither offered the concessions we're looking for. It's about who's easier to push around.

Democrats don't believe in anything and flip their positions when it suits them. Republicans are actively malicious. Why do you think pro-Palestine protesters exclusively protest at Democrat campaign events? Not only is the risk of violent retribution greater from the Republican camp, but what can you realistically hope to achieve?

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u/NeonArlecchino 1d ago edited 1d ago

Did you read my comment? I acknowledged that Trump does the same things, but with malice. I also directly asked for a reason that doesn't involve him.

The DNC has already shown that they don't care how politically inconvenient supporting genocide is by turning away hundreds of thousands (if not more) voters by insisting on helping it flourish. They directly avoided letting Palestinian peace activists speak at their convention while centering people on the perpetrating side of the genocide telling people to forget history. Biden has also repeatedly humiliated himself and shown they're not moving by declaring "red lines" without punishment for violations.

How can you call them "easier to push around" when their track record doesn't show that at all?

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u/jayandbobfoo123 Dickie McGeezak's long lost cousin 2d ago

That's not a reasonable belief at all, nonetheless a "perfect" one.

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u/JCPLee 2d ago

I feel sorry for the people of Gaza that Trump won and he will kill any possibility of a two state solution or reconstruction of Gaza. However their fate was orchestrated by the American Palestinian movement that was incapable of recognizing what would have been the best outcome for them.

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u/Dehnus 2d ago

The two stats solution has been dead for decades now. Anybody that knows the situation and is honest will tell you that.

That doesn't make Trump better though.

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u/Ok-Assistant-8876 1d ago

He got what he voted for, so he’s complicit. People like this were warned what would happen, but they were too stubborn and ignorant to listen.

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u/Markis_Shepherd 2d ago

What does Stein say about it?