Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash - Megathread

[u/SeymourHughes]

Hello, due to the increased activity and reposts on this crash, a megathread was created. All new posts should be posted here. Any new posts outside of the megathread that haven't already been approved will be removed.

[u/Tanir_99]

Russian air defense most likely caused the crash of an Embraer 190 passenger plane during UAV attack on Chechnya:

https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871935554612297779

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/Tanir_99]

Let's not jump to conclusions the link is from a Ukrainian account, yes the plane was obviously in distress but there is no proof of a drone attack accidental or not, it is very likely the issue started within the plane, let's not point fingers

[u/GalacticMe99 → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

1. Videos show Ukraine was performing drone attacks on Russian military targets in the region around the time the plane went down.
2. Videos taken onboard the plane before the crash show pieces of the plane having been pierced by small objects, including an engine and a safety vest.
3. Initial speculation when all was still assumed an accident suggested malfunctioning hydrolics. Videos from after the crash show more damage from small objects having pierced the hull in a place where they could have damaged the hydraulics.
4. The black box revealed that the crew felt the plane hitting something (or being hit). They suspected a birdstrike, but it is not unlikely that that is what they mistook the shrapnel of an anti-aircraft weapon for.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/GalacticMe99]

Thank you for the information

[u/guitarbryan → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

There are pictures of the shrapnel patterns and video from inside the cabin of people bleeding, narrated and explained by the passengers as it happened.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/guitarbryan]

Do you have a link I am very interested and would like to get more information before speculating who is to blame

[u/guitarbryan → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

Literally the link you are responding to. Just scroll down.
Also nearly every other news site etc. that discusses this.

[u/BathroomHonest9791 → u/guitarbryan]

Maybe wait at least some time before accusing anyone though? Because that looks less like a modern AA work and more like someone just used good ole Bofors gun on it, which I doubt is the case. I heard the Embraer group will be involved so the final(and maybe preliminary) reports likely will be relatively free of bias.

[u/4ma2inger → u/BathroomHonest9791]

It's typical shrapnel pattern from any modern AA.

[u/guitarbryan → u/BathroomHonest9791]

Wow, it's great that we have such an expert as you in this group!

[u/BathroomHonest9791 → u/guitarbryan]

I literally just suggested that we should wait for actual experts to say their piece, and not arrive to them ourselves. If it is really Russian AA I will take an L, but none of the shot down Airliners in modern times have been this airworthy after a hit from a missile.

[u/GalacticMe99 → u/BathroomHonest9791]

If this was the first time in the Russian-Ukranian war that Russians were accused of shooting down a commercial airliner I could understand your scepticism, but you and me everyone reading this know very well that it is not...

[u/DualRaconter → u/guitarbryan]

They’re the absolute opposite of what you’re suggesting and are talking against people with no qualifications making claims they have no way to verify.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/guitarbryan]

Okay thank you

[u/Dismal-Age8086 → u/guitarbryan]

The plane clearly has crashed onto rocky terrain. Those "shrapnel" holes could be just holes from the impact with stones. A real shrapnel would have left a bigger damage to the fuselage

[u/guitarbryan → u/Dismal-Age8086]

There is video taken by a passenger while the plane was still in the air showing holes, including holes through their life vest and in fact a hole through a passenger.

[u/DualRaconter → u/guitarbryan]

Could that not be from any number of sources?

[u/Midnight2012 → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

Maybe read the link before casting doubt on it

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/Midnight2012]

Needed more information and still need more information before i cant say who's to blame that's all

[u/ahrienby → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

So just wait. I looked down onto references found in the Wikipedia article, it may be the cylinders inside the aircraft.

[u/Kicker774 → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

If the issue started within the plane, why is the rear riddled with holes going into the plane?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886 → u/Kicker774]

I didn't look at it close enough yet but as I said let's not point fingers obviously something happened beyond plane issues let's wait and see what comes of this

[u/ac130kz → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

The plane was already pierced, when it was up in the sky. There are both vids and pics from the inside before the crash.

[u/Degeneratus-one → u/Puzzleheaded-Gas8886]

Ukrainian or not the fact is Chechnyas under a constant drone attack and this seems too unrealistic of a coincidence