r/JewsOfConscience Anti-Zionist 2d ago

Discussion - Flaired Users Only How does preventing ceasefires, giving weapons to Israel etc. will guarantee safety for Jewish lives?

Looking back at this genocide this past year, it's just horrible how so many preventable measures against this massacre have been sidelined. Leaving aside the geopolitical agendas, the corporate interests, etc., do these people, who are preventing the ceasefires, suppressing free speech within campuses, and giving weapons to Israel, along many other bullshit, sincerely, honestly believe they're doing all of these to guarantee the safety of the Jews? Even at the expense of the actual Jews themselves, including Holocaust survivors, who are also facing repression by the Zionists?

Would these people really have the honesty, & the transparency, to tell a Jewish person in their face, who disagrees with this genocide, that all of these actions are for their own safety?

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u/echtemendel Jewish Communist 2d ago

No, they don't believe it and don't care. Support for Zionism by the ruling classes of western-block countries (and mainly the USA) comes from the understanding that Zionism serves and advances their geopolitical interests in the area. "Protecting Jews" is just the justification they give to the public. Jews can die in droves or flourish - they don't give a f**k either way.

Here is a very short post I wrote about it with links to three really good YT videos on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1hhyvwr/why_the_west_supports_israel_two_great_videos/

I highly suggest watching these videos (especially the first two), they will help you understand better the actual, material reasons Israel gets so much support from the west.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) 13h ago edited 10h ago

But there's a strong counter-narrative to the effect that Israel does not serve the strategic interests of the United States but instead complicates other United States efforts to engage with the MENA region.

John Mearsheimer, Talk at Global İlişkiler Forumu, Dec. 18, 2023 (YouTube Recording):

"Israel is not a strategic asset for the United States."

John Mearsheimer is a political scientist at the University of Chicago, and the co-author of the 2007 book, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy." He's a realist who thinks Israel doesn't, on balance, serve practical U.S. interests in the Middle East but instead functions as a kind of money pit. His explanation of the U.S.-Israel "ironclad" relationship relies heavily on the presence of what he calls the "Israel Lobby."