r/JewsOfConscience • u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist • 2d ago
Discussion - Flaired Users Only How does preventing ceasefires, giving weapons to Israel etc. will guarantee safety for Jewish lives?
Looking back at this genocide this past year, it's just horrible how so many preventable measures against this massacre have been sidelined. Leaving aside the geopolitical agendas, the corporate interests, etc., do these people, who are preventing the ceasefires, suppressing free speech within campuses, and giving weapons to Israel, along many other bullshit, sincerely, honestly believe they're doing all of these to guarantee the safety of the Jews? Even at the expense of the actual Jews themselves, including Holocaust survivors, who are also facing repression by the Zionists?
Would these people really have the honesty, & the transparency, to tell a Jewish person in their face, who disagrees with this genocide, that all of these actions are for their own safety?
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u/echtemendel Jewish Communist 2d ago
No, they don't believe it and don't care. Support for Zionism by the ruling classes of western-block countries (and mainly the USA) comes from the understanding that Zionism serves and advances their geopolitical interests in the area. "Protecting Jews" is just the justification they give to the public. Jews can die in droves or flourish - they don't give a f**k either way.
Here is a very short post I wrote about it with links to three really good YT videos on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1hhyvwr/why_the_west_supports_israel_two_great_videos/
I highly suggest watching these videos (especially the first two), they will help you understand better the actual, material reasons Israel gets so much support from the west.
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u/throwawaydragon99999 Jewish Anti-Zionist 2d ago
Yes, honestly most Zionists - especially Jewish Zionists- do genuinely believe that a strong State of Israel indirectly protects the safety of Jews around the world.
They believe that the State of Israel and the IDF are living proof that counter the Antisemitic stereotypes of Jews being meek, weak, and defenseless, and that having a Zionist state with the Right of Return is the only real way to have a safe haven for Jews around the world .
I don’t believe this but a lot of people, especially American Jews, genuinely do
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2d ago
Israel has made the world unsafe for Jews.
Jews in diaspora countries have to face the consequences of Israel's actions.
Israel is guaranteeing perpetual warfare. For every person Palestinian killed, there are at least four angry family members who want revenge.
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u/Spartan_DJ119 irish anti zionist 2d ago
Theyll just call you a fake jew from what ive seen online
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u/throwawaydragon99999 Jewish Anti-Zionist 1d ago
Yeah I’ve been called a self-hating Jew by my friends and family
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u/Ok_Editor_710 Non-denominational 2d ago
In answer to your last paragraph question; honestly, they would and have been to saying to Jewish persons that all this killing is in their name and for their own safety. That is the core marketing delusion at the heart of the genocide Zionist Jews and their allies are carrying out in Gaza.
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