r/JewsOfConscience • u/AutoModerator • 10d ago

AAJ "Ask A Jew" Wednesday

It's everyone's favorite day of the week, "Ask A (Anti-Zionist) Jew" Wednesday! Ask whatever you want to know, within the sub rules, notably that this is not a debate sub and do not import drama from other subreddits. That aside, have fun! We love to dialogue with our non-Jewish siblings.

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u/valonianfool Anti-Zionist 10d ago

Is there any theological significance to a jewish state in historic Palestine for Christians?

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u/Adept_Thanks_6993 Orthodox 10d ago

Not really

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u/valonianfool Anti-Zionist 10d ago

I'm asking cuz there's someone who I used to consider a friend, who I've cut off. They're a conservative christian who comforted me when I was going through a bad time so I considered them a friend, but I've always been uncomfortable with their views, they're being radicalized into the far-right.

While debating them about Palestine, one argument they gave was that "jews, christians and muslims all agree that the land belongs to the jews".

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u/loselyconscious Traditionally Radical 9d ago

No, Christian Zionism is a very new phenomenon. Christians historically believe the land used to belong to the Jews, but we lost it because we rejected Christ. Remember that Christians fought many wars to take over and even briefly controlled the Hold Land. Not once in that period did anyone even talk about giving it to the Jews. There has never been, not even in the 20th century, when Christian Zionism was a thing, a Christian country that has used Christianity as part of its official justification for supporting Israel.

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u/Thisisme8719 Arab Jew 9d ago

Also to flesh that out, it wasn't even "belonging" like when we think of a modern concept of private property - eg Netanyahu talking with Jordan Peterson and alluding to Locke's idea of property rights; or a national right to the region that Ganz argues for (but even he thinks it's a limited right). It was a belief in conditional stewardship that God could grant or revoke.