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Activism Rabbi Shapiro talks about Zionism

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u/Fun_Swan_5363 Christian Anti-Zionist Ally 8d ago

I probably haven't studied it enough but I'd guess that systemic antisemitism in America probably came from the fact that many who settled in America were from Europe, and the misperception that Jews were responsible for Christ's death, I guess? Which if studied enough in depth is false of course. And European antisemitism was going on for centuries, AFAIK. How do we get rid of it? Did the Holocaust and everyone's reaction to it, cure everyone of anti-Semitism? Probably not.

It seems like you are wanting to argue against someone who says there is no need for the state of Israel. So doesn't that basically make you a staunch Zionist? If so do you not favor fairer treatment for the Palestinians, perhaps a 'reimagined' right of return like the Zochrot organization advocates (instead of a a literal return.) Do you not favor equal rights for everyone there whether Jewish or not? Or at least a Palestinian state that isn't basically a sovereignty-free joke courtesy of the Americans and the Israelis? Just wondering.

IMO the best chance of survival for a large ME presence of Jews is to do almost a 180. They need to read 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' instead of blowing their neighbors up. The best way to knock the legs out from under Hamas and Hez is to set up such an accommodatory peace and such an accommodatory two-state or one-state (one which truly tries to make up for the forceful home and land theft starting in '48) that Israel's adversaries are no longer able to gain supporters. IMO.

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u/korach1921 Reconstructionist 8d ago

You just inferred from my rejection of a few internet micro-celebs that I'm both a capitalist and a staunch Zionist which is wild imho

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u/Fun_Swan_5363 Christian Anti-Zionist Ally 8d ago edited 7d ago

I didn't say you were a capitalist, I just didn't understand why you didn't like Abby Martin and Khalek. So I thought, well maybe korach just doesn't like leftism. I'm still not sure why you don't like them possibly because I don't understand how Syria has anything to do with it. But I'm a newbie at ME stuff and obviously I have lots more to learn.

I did assume that perhaps you are conservative because the Wikipedia article about Reconstruction Judaism says it was originally a conservative movement but then that it branched out into different forms. So... I thought maybe you are a conservative and therefore that you tend towards capitalism and perhaps that is why you didn't like Martin and Khalek.

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u/korach1921 Reconstructionist 8d ago

Conservative Judaism is a religious denomination but has nothing to do with political conservatism