r/JewsOfConscience • u/NewVentures66 Anti-Zionist Ally • Nov 28 '24

Activism Israeli 18-year-olds Soul Behar Tzalik and Iddo Elam refuse to enlist in IDF, await prison sentences

https://www.instagram.com/p/DC36kUcN0Yn/?igsh=eGU0dmZqYjlwc205
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u/acacia_tree Reform Ashkie Diasporist 29d ago edited 29d ago

it's a bit of an ignorant take. personally I think many settlers should leave. But you get conscripted when you're 18. even if you plan to refuse military and want to leave the country how can you do that when you're a child and your country hates when people leave? most of these kids families are hardcore zionist and support the apartheid and genocide, their parents won't let them leave let alone help them. if their choices are leave or go to an Israeli military prison for an indefinite amount of time, surely they would just leave the country

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 29d ago

I can understand wanting Israelis who were born abroad (a fairly small percentage at this point) to leave…but not the ones who were born there, and especially not the ones who are still living with their parents. But yeah, it’s pretty obvious that these kids aren’t able to leave, for the reasons you stated.

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 29d ago

So, you think the majority should leave, but that some kind of Jewish community should remain? Also, most Israeli Jews may be racist, but only a minority of them are rapists or murderers of Palestinians…

Most Israelis will probably leave by their own free will, as often happens when settler states fall, but many of them will not. And the old Ultra-Orthodox communities obviously aren’t going anywhere. Even PIJ doesn’t want to get rid of the Neturei Karta, for instance…

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 28d ago

You can’t really call someone a rapist or a murderer unless they have personally actually committed rape or murder, in my humble opinion… That’s just how I see things, though.

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u/a_f_s-29 27d ago

I think Palestinians are allowed to vent, but allies need to be more mindful and also get their morals straight

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 27d ago

Yeah, but the thing is that I have also seen “allies” say this kind of shit about Israelis. Like that blonde British girl on TikTok, Isobel (a.k.a. “dumbbirchtree”). She has me blocked, but most of you guys can probably see her content.