Harris's refusal to condemn Gaza genocide enraged young voters, who sat on their hands and cost her the election

[u/richards1052]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/opinion/democrats-israel-gaza-war.html

[u/BeardedDragon1917]

Presumably, there are a lot of people who wouldn’t consider voting for a third-party, but might just stay home if they have nothing to vote for. A lot of them only voted in 2020 because they had their ballot mailed directly to their house.

A huge percentage of people in our country are living paycheck to paycheck, and I think that it’s very hard to motivate a lot of those people to vote when their personal situation doesn’t look to be getting better anytime soon. The Democrats being marginally better on civil rights issues is only going to motivate people who care deeply about civil rights issues, and even then, it will only motivate them for as long as they still believe that their support will be paid back with actual policy changes. It has been three, arguably four election cycles since Democrats started trying to win on a platform of giving their wealthy donors whatever they want, but not being as awful as Republicans, and hoping that the two party system forces everyone who isn’t a Republican to vote for them.. They are learning the lesson that in a two party system, there are in fact, three options, and one of them is staying home. American culture has not yet reckoned with the idea that there are people who are informed, not stupid or apathetic, but make the decision that voting isn’t worth their time because they don’t see any options that would improve their lives as even being on the table.

[u/Garak_The_Tailor_ → u/BeardedDragon1917]

I agree, also telling people who are having a hard time surviving that they're wrong and the economy is booming, is a loser strategy.

[u/Logic411 → u/Garak_The_Tailor_]

The economy IS booming. Pull your head out and look around

[u/PapaverOneirium → u/Logic411]

Well, I always found all the articles about the booming economy a bit strange because of my anecdotal experience; friends and family getting laid off, struggling for months to find new jobs, a raise and hiring freeze at my company that has lasted a year. Every time I go to the grocery store I leave with the sense that I have somehow gotten poorer. The housing market in my city has gone hyperbolic and my dreams of owning a here home with it.

But I chalked all that up as the recovery being uneven, that specific industries and geographies were seeing tougher times while on average times were good. Because that is what the data says, right?

But now we have an election that seems to have been, primarily, a referendum on the economy. And it appears I am not alone.

So if the data says everything is great, but people don’t feel that way, could it perhaps be that are measures are missing something? Maybe we are looking at things the wrong way?

But instead everyone has been told: no, we cannot be wrong about this, look at this graph. The way you’re feeling? You’ve just been bamboozled. You’re an ignorant chump swallowing propaganda. Don’t trust your own experience. It’s wrong.

[u/TurbulentData961 → u/PapaverOneirium]

The data lies but not how people think . I recently found out that federal statistics are counting ghost jobs aka jobs that ain't real so no wonder jobs are being created ... on linked in but not in a hiring budget or actual people in jobs

[u/Logic411 → u/TurbulentData961]

There are hiring signs outside of businesses all over the place. I suggest all these lazy people to get out there and stop waiting for trump’s Covid checks that aren’t coming

[u/IndyHermit → u/Logic411]

no job with a sign outside its business is paying a living wage. the economy has shifted. qualified people with significant higher education are having a very difficult time finding jobs that pay enough to cover expenses. professional jobs do not hang sides outside ffs

[u/Logic411 → u/IndyHermit]

Fair enough Covid upended a lot of people. The layoffs throughout the valley and media. That’s tough but trump’s crews aren’t going to do anything about that, they seem to be consolidating big time. And the medical field…it’s greed really. Insatiable . At least Biden was expanding chips act, investing in health care now it’s right back to everything being concentrated at the top among a few gazillionaires using ai and robots to further kill the American dr.people don’t think long term any longer. We were a very ill world yet people want instant recovery with no lingering side effects.

[u/Logic411 → u/PapaverOneirium]

Maybe they are like the people who get fired and blame the system. Maybe they want to earn 80k with no education. Or maybe they’re just living beyond their means. One thing is for sure History proves trump is not going to make it better for them if anything it’s going to get worse and if they voted for him they’ll deserve it

[u/PapaverOneirium → u/Logic411]

Trump won’t make it better, he’ll make it worse, but he won because the democrats didn’t do enough to acknowledge and address their concerns and he did, with lies that were vile but unfortunately effective.

Whether they were right or wrong to be concerned in the first place, it doesn’t really matter if you lose because of it. A strategy of trying to genuinely understand why these concerns are so prevalent and address them authentically would have been much more effective than simply saying “no, you’re wrong, everything is actually great”.

[u/Garak_The_Tailor_ → u/PapaverOneirium]

No I'm sure smugly telling people what they see and experience is wrong will be a winning strategy for the Dems eventually

[u/Logic411 → u/PapaverOneirium]

No one can guarantee equality of results. This is a capitalist society. Beyond gouging laws companies are allowed to set their own prices. This economy is COOKING, read the numbers. Traffic EVERYWHERE, market parking lots are Full, more travelers than ever.that 💩 doesn’t happen in a depressed economy. 😆 hiring signs everywhere. Nothing is perfect but we’re doing pretty darn well