r/JewsOfConscience • u/richards1052 Jewish Anti-Zionist • Nov 08 '24

Opinion Harris's refusal to condemn Gaza genocide enraged young voters, who sat on their hands and cost her the election

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/opinion/democrats-israel-gaza-war.html
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u/BeardedDragon1917 Nov 08 '24

Can’t get past the paywall. Is there any statistical evidence that this is the case in the article?

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 08 '24

Eh, if Harris had gotten all the Jill Stein and PAL voters, she still would have lost. Those two groups didn’t even crack a million.

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u/AlphaCentauri10 Anti-Zionist Nov 08 '24

The truth that most of us refuse to see.

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u/Euphoric_Exchange_51 Nov 08 '24

You’re right, but it still would have made a difference. Modifying Biden’s position on Gaza was a necessary but insufficient requirement for Harris’ success. All else being equal, it wouldn’t have been enough to tip the election in her favor, but it still could have played a decisive role had her campaign been more effective in other areas as well. The fact that Harris’ messaging on Gaza alone wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the election doesn’t mean her continuation of Biden’s position wasn’t a political blunder.

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u/Far_Silver Non-Jewish Ally Nov 08 '24

Yeah. She also needed better messaging on the economy, especially inflation, cost-of-living, and price gougers.

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u/Logic411 Nov 08 '24

What was trump’s message on those things? Please be specific

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u/PapaverOneirium Nov 08 '24

His messaging was that “you are right about feeling poorer, the people telling you not to trust your own experience think you’re stupid, but they are wrong. They did this to you by giving handouts to illegals at your expense and caring more about pronouns and trans people in sports than your suffering. You didn’t feel this way in 2019, did you? That was because of me. And I’ll fix it again and punish the people responsible”

It was a vile message full of lies, but it was simple and compelling enough to convince people that don’t know much better. The democrats need to come up with a narrative that is just as simple and compelling but do so in a way that is positive and doesn’t paint the marginalized as the ones responsible.

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u/Logic411 Nov 08 '24

They could try the truth and defend themselves from the lies

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u/Far_Silver Non-Jewish Ally Nov 08 '24

? I'm not a Trump supporter and I did ask that people in swing states hold their noses and vote for Harris because I do consider her the lesser evil.