Fresh new German antisemitism resolution!

[u/dustydancers]

I may be deported soon I guess lol. Things here haven’t really changed since the 30’s ..

[u/OrganicOverdose]

I find it very strange that it mentions cracking down on anti-Imperialism, as it admits that there is an Empire, and it's authoritarian. Like, isn't the whole game pretending that we're in a liberal democracy?

[u/dustydancers → u/OrganicOverdose]

I think theyre done pretending at this point

[u/OrganicOverdose → u/dustydancers]

I mean, the past year here in Germany has been a real eye-opener for me as a reasonably well integrated white immigrant. It's fucking gross, to be honest.

[u/koi88 → u/OrganicOverdose]

I am German and I feel the same. It's incredible.

[u/OrganicOverdose → u/koi88]

Not gonna lie, that 88 in your username is a bit disconcerting all things considered.

[u/koi88 → u/OrganicOverdose]

I'm sorry about the "88".

When I made the account some 14 years ago, I had no idea about the meaning of "88".

My GF at the time was Japanese, "koi" is a symbol of luck in Japan and "8" or "88" are considered lucky numbers in East Asia.

I didn't expect Nazis would rise again.

My grandmother said "The Germans may be stupid, but they will not be that stupid to follow Nazis again." Yet here we are.

[u/darps → u/koi88]

My grandmother said "The Germans may be stupid, but they will not be that stupid to follow Nazis again." Yet here we are.

A lot of Germans think the same way, and don't see the signs for that reason.

Also while we emphasize historical education around the nazis, we greatly lack the political education to go along with it. People don't actually know the hallmarks of fascist ideology, so they cannot recognize them in today's far-right rhetoric and think the criticism is overblown. In their mind you have to be already committing genocide and starting world wars before you can be legitimately called a nazi.

I guess it hasn't occurred to them that it's too late at that point.

[u/OrganicOverdose → u/koi88]

It's definitely shitty when shit people coopt symbols and cultural things. The swastika being a symbol for peace, for example. 

In a better timeline your username would be such a simple and nice thing, but yes, here we are again. Shit people causing normal people to mistrust each other over innocuous things.

I don't hold your username against you, it was just a shitty reaction brought on by so many bots online with all these numbers in their names and literal nazis posting garbage constantly. I'm just so over it, tbh.

[u/Moostronus → u/koi88]

If only you made your account 13 or 15 years ago, instead of it actually being 14.

[u/michaelkeatonbutgay → u/koi88]

Jesus you don't need to apologize or explain.

[u/International_Ad1909 → u/koi88]

They just found a different type of semite to hate on.

[u/michaelkeatonbutgay → u/OrganicOverdose]

Are you joking?

[u/naiiiiina → u/OrganicOverdose]

What were some things in Germany specifically that were eye opening? I live in england and had a similar experience but Germany seems a lot worse so I was just wondering

[u/OrganicOverdose → u/naiiiiina]

Well, a lot of my German friends are relatively liberal-minded. Open-minded towards LGBTQ. Left-leaning. Progressive in most ideologies. Quite critical of the older generation and their mentality towards the future apropos Environment, Education, Social Welfare, etc. However, when I talked to them about the genocide in Gaza, how it was obviously a complete overreaction, how Gazans and Palestinians had been occupied for decades, it suddenly became complicated. 

A good friend of mine reiterated the "baby in the oven" propaganda, as well as the "systematic rape" allegations. And when I pointed out that these were taken as fact before ever being proven, and since had been heavily discredited, well then it was almost a fight. Suddenly I was "wrong", or "didn't understand". Others had no idea about the ICJ ruling regarding the apartheid in Palestine. They claimed it was "crystal clear" self-defense what Israel was doing in Gaza. 

It was shocking to me. 

People who were normally quite attuned to oppressive attitudes suddenly couldn't recognize it in such a blatant case. Until I realized that all the news here is geared towards that. Nobody talks about it because it's a difficult topic. Nobody questions the government when they accuse protesters of violence. The Germans trust their government, trust their police forces, because mostly it works ... for them. 

Other friends of mine shut down completely on mention of Gaza. They go silent. They turn the conversation to themselves and their own fears. They simply cannot openly address the genocide that Israel is enacting.

And when it comes to Israel, well, that's "Judenland" and so it's better to not really think much more about it. Whoever is arrested, they're obviously criminals. That's how the law works. If they were Jewish themselves, well, they must have broken the law some other way. There is a psychological block there, and honestly I couldn't understand it until I watched a video on YouTube by a German Philosophy Professor Dr. Möller called "Guilt Pride" and it made more sense.

Anyway, I could go on about this, but this is a cultural issue, and being a foreigner here I don't share their conditioning. It has become a rather serious issue here too, because Germany has welcomed people into Germany who have been displaced due to western interference, but those people do not share some certain values with German culture, and instead of addressing them, the Government has decided to blame the foreigners, rather than critical self-reflection. So, in that same way right-wing groups like AfD have leveraged this rift to win over bigots and it works, because nobody is addressing the problem for fear or because they're incapable of actually seeing the flaws in German society. 

Seriously, to make Israel the "Reason of State", regardless of their actions, is such an intellectually and morally weak stance to hold, but because of both cultural indoctrination, US influence, and perhaps residual historical politics, they will not change this.

TLDR; I thought this was a rather intelligent, progressive country, but in reality there are a lot of stupid bigots and there is, IMO, a lot of people indoctrinated by a certain mentality that perpetuates a supremacist status quo mentality and I don't think they see that at all.

[u/Arestothenes → u/OrganicOverdose]

Even much of the German Left treats Anti-Imperialism as a dirty word. Empire is good, as long as there’s the annual pride parade, I guess 😵‍💫

[u/OrganicOverdose → u/Arestothenes]

Guess they never watched Star Wars.