r/JewsOfConscience Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24

Opinion These people crave antisemitism.

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u/Sad_Night_9709 Oct 22 '24

Bro watched "Don't Mess with the Zohan" and thought it was a documentary

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u/lightiggy Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24 edited 4d ago

For all of the big talk, I'm 90 percent certain that David Ben-Gurion wouldn't have fought to the bitter end had the Axis won and Germans marched on Palestine. He'd admittedly put up a tough fight, but then chicken out halfway through and call for surrendering, despite capitulation meaning certain death. Others would tell Ben-Gurion that surrender is not an option, only for him to say that, "Okay, but the Luftwaffe is bombing Tel Aviv to the ground and I'm scared." He was a weasel at heart, as were many of his colleagues. In fact, despite the Arabs supposedly wanting to "exterminate" them in 1948, Israeli soldiers did eventually surrender during the Battle of Nitzanim. Many of the soldiers cracked when put under enough pressure and ran away.

The Egyptians prevented their local auxiliaries from massacring all the prisoners, however, three or four of the defenders were killed after surrendering. Survivors were later "displayed" in a victory parade in Majdal, after which they were transferred to Cairo.

Many Israelis were humiliated by this since it proved that they weren't invincible.

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u/RiqueSouz Oct 22 '24

Considering how the Irgun was a thing, he would probably opted for the Irgun and would negotiate with the Nazis against the British, that's not even that far reached considering their relations... Even more when you realize that most of the German government went back to Nazis and they stood extremely pro-Israel, same with most of the Nazis that went to the west, and even in the east, in the end Israel was everything they wanted, they just didn't knew it, but, they wanted to purge the Jewish communities from Europe and Israel was their ticket.

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u/lightiggy Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

The Irgun called a truce with the British over the war with Germany. Many of them also opposed the Haavara Agreement, viewing it as treason. The Nazis had a pro-Zionist faction, but they were sidelined in the late 1930s. Only after the war did said faction regain its influence. Despite not stopping the Haavara Agreement, Hitler had expressed disgust over a potential Jewish state in the 1920s. He was a genuine fanatics who wanted all of the Jews dead without exception. So was Adolf Eichmann. He initially seemed open to Zionism, but later changed his mind.

Leopold von Mildenstein’s pro-Zionist line was overtaken by events, and after a dispute with Heydrich in 1936 he was removed from his post and transferred to the Foreign Ministry’s press department. He had fallen out of favour because migration to Palestine was not happening quickly enough. His departure from the SD also saw a shift in SS policy, marked by the publication of a pamphlet written by Eichmann warning of the dangers of a strong Jewish state in the Middle East.