r/JewsOfConscience • u/cupcakefascism Jewish Communist • Oct 22 '24
Opinion These people crave antisemitism.
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u/ComradeTortoise Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24
Pretty sure the <checks notes> 17,000 meticulously documented murdered children didn't "mess with the Jews".
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u/cupcakefascism Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24
That’s a huge undercount at this point
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u/ComradeTortoise Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24
It is, but we can also name every single one of those kids
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u/cupcakefascism Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24
Felt like all the air went out of my lungs when I read that. Fair point.
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u/Sad_Night_9709 Oct 22 '24
Bro watched "Don't Mess with the Zohan" and thought it was a documentary
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u/lightiggy Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24 edited 3d ago
For all of the big talk, I'm 90 percent certain that David Ben-Gurion wouldn't have fought to the bitter end had the Axis won and Germans marched on Palestine. He'd admittedly put up a tough fight, but then chicken out halfway through and call for surrendering, despite capitulation meaning certain death. Others would tell Ben-Gurion that surrender is not an option, only for him to say that, "Okay, but the Luftwaffe is bombing Tel Aviv to the ground and I'm scared." He was a weasel at heart, as were many of his colleagues. In fact, despite the Arabs supposedly wanting to "exterminate" them in 1948, Israeli soldiers did eventually surrender during the Battle of Nitzanim. Many of the soldiers cracked when put under enough pressure and ran away.
The Egyptians prevented their local auxiliaries from massacring all the prisoners, however, three or four of the defenders were killed after surrendering. Survivors were later "displayed" in a victory parade in Majdal, after which they were transferred to Cairo.
Many Israelis were humiliated by this since it proved that they weren't invincible.
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u/Sad_Night_9709 Oct 22 '24
Those who do not believe in the cause they fight for, cannot lay down their lives for it. The guy is likely one of those who join the winning team. If Iran invaded Israel tomorrow, I have no doubt he and many others would be the first to surrender too.
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u/koi88 Oct 22 '24
I can say that in Germany, many ultra-rightwingers suddenly love Israel.
They are still Antisemites, but they like Israel's violence, the military and the fact they kill thousands of Arabs.
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u/Sad_Night_9709 Oct 22 '24
Makes sense The biggest allies of the zionist project were antisemites
"Out of sight out of mind am I right gentlemen hohoho!"
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u/RiqueSouz Oct 22 '24
Considering how the Irgun was a thing, he would probably opted for the Irgun and would negotiate with the Nazis against the British, that's not even that far reached considering their relations... Even more when you realize that most of the German government went back to Nazis and they stood extremely pro-Israel, same with most of the Nazis that went to the west, and even in the east, in the end Israel was everything they wanted, they just didn't knew it, but, they wanted to purge the Jewish communities from Europe and Israel was their ticket.
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u/lightiggy Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
The Irgun called a truce with the British over the war with Germany. Many of them also opposed the Haavara Agreement, viewing it as treason. The Nazis had a pro-Zionist faction, but they were sidelined in the late 1930s. Only after the war did said faction regain its influence. Despite not stopping the Haavara Agreement, Hitler had expressed disgust over a potential Jewish state in the 1920s. He was a genuine fanatics who wanted all of the Jews dead without exception. So was Adolf Eichmann. He initially seemed open to Zionism, but later changed his mind.
Leopold von Mildenstein’s pro-Zionist line was overtaken by events, and after a dispute with Heydrich in 1936 he was removed from his post and transferred to the Foreign Ministry’s press department. He had fallen out of favour because migration to Palestine was not happening quickly enough. His departure from the SD also saw a shift in SS policy, marked by the publication of a pamphlet written by Eichmann warning of the dangers of a strong Jewish state in the Middle East.
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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) Oct 22 '24
What is actually the message of "You Don't Mess with the Zohan"? I'm sure it's irreverent, but is it truly critical?
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u/Sad_Night_9709 Oct 22 '24
It's basically making fun of the entire conflict. It ends on a warm note about how the US is the one orchestrating everything.
But it paints the IDF in a waaaaaay better light than they have any right to be.
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u/AffectionateElk3978 Oct 22 '24
Crazy thing is that guy is a pediatrician in Chicago but he has no compassion for the ten of thousands of children killed, maimed, wounded, orphaned, starving, jailed, etc,...Couldn't imagine taking my kids to this ghoul.
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u/FurstRoyalty-Ties Anti-Zionist Ally Oct 22 '24
Just because he's a doctor, it doesn't mean that he takes the hippocratic oath seriously. Not every doctor is a compassionate one, some are just money grubbing assholes.
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u/touslesmatins Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24
Big guy over here, hiding behind the biggest and best bombs America can buy
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u/Beneficial_Voice_504 Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
What a vile human being. Wonder why he deleted the tweet.
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u/NYCQuilts Oct 22 '24
Somebody pointed out it didn’t fit the victim narrative Israel is relying on?
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u/Global_Bat_5541 Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24
The number of heart reacts on his post is disgusting. May those reactors know no peace for the rest of their lives.
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u/Roy4Pris Zionism is a waste of Judaism Oct 22 '24
Nothing on Twitter is as it appears. 10k of the 11k are almost certainly Ziobots and paid keyboard warriors.
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u/Global_Bat_5541 Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24
I hope you're right but there shouldn't be a single heart react on this
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u/TheThirdDumpling Oct 22 '24
Governments want you to believe antizionism is antisemitism, while in reality, zionism is antisemitism.
Not the first time the governments lie, and won't be the last time.
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u/TinyZoro Jewish Anti-Zionist Oct 22 '24
How is this different to don’t mess with the Nazis?
This is literally a moral position that is equates to a zero sum might is right.
No one could genuinely suggest the Palestinians haven’t been fucked with. If a Muslim nation flattens Israel with nuclear bombs is this guy going to be fair enough don’t fuck with the Muslims I guess.
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u/finiteloop72 Ashkenazi Oct 22 '24
Why do I have to share a religion and ethnic background with these people, ffs.
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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Oct 22 '24
Well, the good news is that you don't share a religion with them, the bad news is that they think you do.
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u/naiiiiina Oct 22 '24
I used to feel like this about groups like isis but ultimately you're not responsible for their actions don't let yourself feel down about something you didn't do. Jews who are against this genocide will always have a special place in my heart because you're having to go against your own communities and get called disgusting names like self hating jews but you're standing for what you know is right
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u/cupcakefascism Jewish Communist Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
The difference is that most Muslims bent over backwards to condemn ISIS as did all their religious & cultural bodies. Most of the people fighting ISIS and getting killed by them were Muslim.
Whereas for us, the overwhelming majority of our organisations, our religious institutions and most individual Jews are Zionists.
It’s just not the same. And I don’t say that to imply you don’t have it as bad, but to illustrate that at this point equating Jews with Israel and it’s actions is an entirely reasonable, if inaccurate, position.
It’s exactly what these people have been pushing, and if that leads to antisemitism because no one in their right mind can fathom the horror of what they’re doing? Well all the better. And not just for their political purposes but also because they revel in it.
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u/naiiiiina Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
Yeah igy. Tbh if I was Jewish idek if I'd have the strength to openly be against it. I'd like to think I would but I genuinely don't know. That's why I have so much respect for you guys. As muslims we won't ever get pushback for condemning these evil groups and their actions but for you guys standing against zionism and israels actions can mean losing family and friends and being called an anti semite yourself
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u/Amon-Verite Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
But as we see here, the vast majority of Zionists(in US) are NOT Jewish and patently ANTI-SEMITIC
https://religionnews.com/2019/07/08/the-anti-semitic-theology-behind-the-christian-zionist-lobby/
ChristianZionism
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u/cupcakefascism Jewish Communist Oct 23 '24
That’s not relevant to the point I’m making. I didn’t say most Zionists are Jews, I said most Jews are Zionists.
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u/BenderBenRodriguez Anti-Zionist Oct 22 '24
Kinda reminds me of that Futurama episode (yes yes note the username lol) where they go to war with the "brain ball" planet and at the end it turns out Earth are actually the evil invading aliens. Bender even says verbatim "Let that be a lesson to you: don't mess with Earth" right as it's revealed that our heroes have been in the wrong the whole time.
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u/Big_Red_Machine_1917 Non-Jewish Ally Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
If I were a conspiracy theory minded individual, I would say that the Zionist movement was a massive psychological operation with the goal of stoking antisemitism.
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u/Caeflin Oct 24 '24
Didn't Hitler say exactly that? "Don't mess with Germans and burn our Reichstag or else .."
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